Elianna Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=skqt65h98765d2c82]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Auction proceeds: (1♦) pass (1♥) 1♠;(pass) 2♥ (x) pass;(3♥) 3♠ (4♥) ??? You have no special agreements in this auction as to the difference between 2♦ and 2♥ and what pass means over 2♥x. Even if you wouldn't bid this way, if you were plopped into this auction, what would you bid at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Pass. I have a reasonable expectation of beating 4♥ on a spade lead, but I have no idea how many tricks we are making in spades. If partner cannot bid 4♠ on his own after I overcalled 1♠ on this "hand," then we are probably not making 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Pass for me also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Kuijt Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I'm doubling because I don't want partner to bid 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I'm doubling because I don't want partner to bid 4♠. You realize you have 0 tricks, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I'm passing because I don't want partner to laugh at me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Kuijt Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Well, the 5 trumps should have some nuisance value ;) More to the point, if partner's 2♥ bid meant something specific, like a limit raise in spades, then I'm clearly passing. I've already (over)bid my hand, and partner has bid his hand (and won't take action over 4♠). But, if partner's 2♥ bid was general strength, which is what the OP said, then I think I'm closer to beating 4♥ than making 4♠, and partner will do *something* over 4♥. IOW, I'm playing partner for general strength and a shape like 3-1-4-5, rather than a heart void and 4-0-4-5. If partner has that hand, he should raise spades to whatever level he thinks is appropriate, instead of messing around with a cue bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 P=partner is still thereA=Assinine to bidS=See P and A aboveS=Surely this is wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 But, if partner's 2♥ bid was general strength, which is what the OP said wat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Well, the 5 trumps should have some nuisance value ;) More to the point, if partner's 2♥ bid meant something specific, like a limit raise in spades, then I'm clearly passing. I've already (over)bid my hand, and partner has bid his hand (and won't take action over 4♠). But, if partner's 2♥ bid was general strength, which is what the OP said, then I think I'm closer to beating 4♥ than making 4♠, and partner will do *something* over 4♥. IOW, I'm playing partner for general strength and a shape like 3-1-4-5, rather than a heart void and 4-0-4-5. If partner has that hand, he should raise spades to whatever level he thinks is appropriate, instead of messing around with a cue bid. Why will partner do something over 4H? He bid 3S non forcing, there is no reason to think he will bid 4S now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Btw glad to see no complaints about 1♠, I love that bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianna Posted January 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Btw glad to see no complaints about 1♠, I love that bid. Don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but there were two votes for the insane assylum, which I intended as an option for commenting on my first bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I'd have overcalled 2♠. If that's not your partnership style, 1♠ is fine. Overcalls don't promise anything any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Btw glad to see no complaints about 1♠, I love that bid. Don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but there were two votes for the insane assylum, which I intended as an option for commenting on my first bid. I believe he was sincere. I like 1♠ also. He can correct me and laugh at me if I'm wrong :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianna Posted January 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I passed. I was playing with a UCLA student at an evening (normal) club game in a rather weak field consisting of three tables. The full hand was: [hv=n=saxxhdaxxxcaxxxxx&w=sxhaktdqjxxxxckxx&e=sjxxxhqjxxxdkxcqj&s=skqtxxh98765d2c82]399|300|something like this...[/hv] I led the ♠K, it held. I then led a low spade, ruffed in dummy. Declarer then played diamonds, which my partner won and played back another, which I ruffed. Then the funny thing happened: I played another spade, declarer ruffed on the table, and then pitched the ♥2 from her hand! For some reason dummy elects not to say anything (this is ACBL so he could ask), and at the end of the hand, declarer has an extra spade loser, plus the revoke trick! down 4! For an average board. If I had doubled, I would have saved 1/2 a matchpoint, tying another table playing in 4♥x-4. It was rather amusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 4♠. We got a SST of -3.. you don't see that every day :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 I'm doubling because I don't want partner to bid 4♠. This is a mega agreement I have too. But this holds not true in this hand. Partner has a heart chicane and some high card values but still did not splinter. So he holds at most 3 trumps and some values in the minors. He will not bid 4 spade here as a sacrifice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 This is a mega agreement I have. Time for another gnasher thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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