A "Tweener" or a clear choice?

[masse24]

[hv=s=skjt943hq43d4ca75]133|100|[/hv]

 

As dealer, vulnerable vs. not vulnerable, what do you bid? :huh:

[hanp]

I like 2S but it depends on your opening style. I don't think there is anything wrong with opening 1S on these hands.

[gwnn]

I don't like 2♠ but I think it's OK if you want to. I would in fact bid 2♠ opposite some people but playing with myself I will open 1♠.

[Codo]

2 Spade:

You are in the point range for this bid vul against not.

The suit quality is good enough.

6313 is a good shape for a preempt.

 

So the cons: hearts and an outside ace are there but I would rate them as not as important as the pros.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

For me all 1S, 2S or Pass would be ok, in the end the hand would

be submin for a 1S for my regular partnership, and would also not

be perfect for a 2S opening bid (facing an unpassed p), but we

have a very tightly definined preempt style, and red vs. green,

espesially in 1st and 2nd pos.

 

In 3rd seat - 2S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Aberlour10]

without any agreements >>>clearly 2s

[Fluffy]

2♠ seems easy at this vulnerability, with others it would be close between 1♠ and 2♠

[billw55]

Red on white, first seat ... nice try, but you're going to have to take out the ♣A to get people to stop bidding 1♠ :)

 

(personally I bid 2♠ anyway)

[gwnn]

sorry billw55 maybe I'm rude here but did you read what people bid?

[billw55]

sorry billw55 maybe I'm rude here but did you read what people bid?

Yes I see that the poll is mostly 2♠. A few people advocated 1♠ in their comments however. But mostly I was just joking :) that's what the smileys are for.

[bid_em_up]

I would in fact bid 2♠ opposite some people but playing with myself I will open 1♠.

I hope you don't do this in public :) :P

[jjbrr]

Depends on your agreements as usual.

 

Playing a system with light openers, this is a clear 1♠; playing a system with sound openers, 2♠ is fine.

 

I prefer the former, myself.

[jdonn]

I prefer a system that opens this 2♠. I have the 9 of spades, I'm vul, and though I have Hxx of hearts they still aren't that great. I have no problem with 2♠.

[TimG]

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ KJT943 ♥ Q43 ♦ 4 ♣ A75

 

As dealer, vulnerable vs. not vulnerable, what do you bid?

I wonder if changing the hand to

 

♠KQT943 ♥J43 ♦4 ♣A75

 

would change any of the 2♠ votes to 1♠. (That is, does the change from 1.5 QT to 2 QT make a difference?)

[mikeh]

At the given conditions, 2♠ seems ok.

 

Partner will be more aggressive at this heat, if he has a decent hand, for 2 reasons.

 

The first is that the worst hand I could have, where pushing will be horrible, will be better at these conditions than any other, and the second is that game need not be 50% in order for it to be worth bidding.

 

OTOH, if I open 1♠, pushing will be horrible because, despite the side A, the side stiff and the extra spade...this really is about the worst I could have for a one-bid...and he might go wrong after a 1-bid not only in pushing too far but also in doubling an unbeatable contract....plus, if I open 1♠ and they buy the hand, they will be playing almost double-dummy after the first trick.

[ggwhiz]

Changing the 3 of hearts to the 3 of clubs or vice versa makes it a 1 spade bid for me.

 

For style with my regular pard, second chair is always gilt edged and so is 1st chair on these colors. We would tend to open 2 spades in all four seats with this one.

[mike777]

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> ????? </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> ???? </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> Unknown </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> KJT943 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> Q43 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> 4 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> A75 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

 

As dealer, vulnerable vs. not vulnerable, what do you bid? :)

Easy 1s for me but then as others have said you need to discuss this ahead of time with pard what you are going to open on.

 

With hcp in my long suits I am going to open nearly all ten counts with this shape or 5431 shape.

 

 

Boderline ten count that I might pass looks like:

 

AJ9x,,,9xxxx.....x....AJ9 if vul but open if nv.

[Siegmund]

For me it's a clear 1♠. I have an agreement that my weak two-bids will either have one or none of the side suits stopped. Not everyone cares for actually having standards for weak twos, however.

[jdonn]

I wonder if changing the hand to

 

♠KQT943 ♥J43 ♦4 ♣A75

 

would change any of the 2♠ votes to 1♠.  (That is, does the change from 1.5 QT to 2 QT make a difference?)

I would still bid 2. Probably 1 if I wasn't vul though.

[eyhung]

With 1.5 QT I strive very hard to avoid opening at the 1-level playing 2/1. Frequent downsides of opening light in that context include getting to low-play 3NTs and doubling off the opponents when they're making. So the original hand is always a 2♠ bid for me at these colors. It's ok to be max for your bid.

 

With the change to a 2QT hand, it has enough defense but still doesn't have enough offense for me to be comfortable opening 1♠ instead of 2. In fact 2♠ unfav is a very good description of the hand. When partner opens 2♠ unfav, the first hand I visualize is KQJxxx and an outside control -- pretty close to the actual hand. I can definitely see a 1♠ NV though if your 2♠ NV bids tend to be free-wheeling -- it's hard for partner to cater to this hand as well as something like KJT9x Axx x xxxx.

[nigel_k]

I think this is borderline but would slightly prefer 2♠.

 

This is really just based on overall hand strength. I think there is enough defence for a 1♠ opening and conversely the side ace doesn't put me off opening 2♠. But at the vulnerability it's more likely we get too high if I open 1♠ and rebid 2♠ than we stop too low if I open 2♠. And anyway I like to preempt.

[mike777]

I agree with those posters who worry about getting too high or partner doubling the opp if you open on junk. One does need to think of an entire system of responses based on what you are going to open.

 

Likewise if you open pretty sound you need to make sure you bid high enough and double often enough.

 

 

In general this is easier than it sounds.

[Winstonm]

At this vulnerability, I believe 2x opening should be a descriptive bid and not an obstructive bid, therefore even the range of the bid should be pretty tight.

[aguahombre]

I wonder if changing the hand to

 

♠KQT943 ♥J43 ♦4 ♣A75

 

would change any of the 2♠ votes to 1♠.  (That is, does the change from 1.5 QT to 2 QT make a difference?)

I would still bid 2. Probably 1 if I wasn't vul though.

2S in either case, but I am a stoggy old unimaginative type who thinks that any bid which takes away the whole 2-level and at the same time reasonably describes the hand to partner can't be all bad. Even at favorable vul, it might cause the opps to miss a game or get to a bad one.

[Winstonm]

2S in either case, but I am a stoggy old unimaginative type

 

You are not even worthy to untie my stodgy sandals Imagination-Boy. I thought the question was whether to open 2S or PASS. :P