shevek Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 First cardplay book I read was Kelsey's Bridge Logic. At the time I found it challenging and educational. Found my old copy last week and looked at the first hand in CH 2: [hv=d=n&v=n&n=sakj4h74d732ckq63&s=st53hat3dkq5ca954]133|200|Scoring: IMP1♣ - (3♥) - 3N[/hv] Paraphrasing Kelsey "West leads ♥8 to East's ♥J. You win the 2nd heart as West pitches a diamond. You play ♦K. West wins ♦A and returns ♦J which you duck. You win 3rd diamond as East follows all the way. After ♣Q and ♠A, East pitches on ♣A. East is 2-7-3-1. You can't pickup ♠Qxxx with West so plonk down ♠AK as your only chance." I recall being convinced at the time but now realise this is crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 yeah obviously you play for the black suit sqz on west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellache Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 This is not necessarily crap. If you think West's return after the ♦Ace was random, the probabilities obviously favour the endplay against West (just play Clubs). Now my question is : who has the ♦T ? If West has it, play for the endplay. If East has it, I would think twice. West could have avoided the endplay by playing the ♣Jack back, retaining ♦Jx (actually, he could have unblocked Diamonds by discarding the J from AJTx, so again, where's the 9 ?). Who has the ♣8 ? Is West strong enough to play a Diamond back with xxxx x AJxx JT8x in order to offer you a loosing endplay option ? In real life, probably not. In a textbook... Another question is : Why did East play a second Heart with an entryless hand ? I would have expected a Diamond back if East had xx KQJxxxx Txx x. What about ducking the second Heart ? Not such an easy hand :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 edit: removed nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 yeah obviously you play for the black suit sqz on west. lol i thought we had ducked two hearts... black suit endplay then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 What about ducking the second Heart ? Not such an easy hand <_< Why would we ever not duck the second heart? If west is 4144 he is just toast. I guess he can pitch the DJ but he wouldn't know that, and he still gets endplayed anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Another question is : Why did East play a second Heart with an entryless hand ? I would have expected a Diamond back if East had xx KQJxxxx Txx x. Why would you expect a diamond back from this hand, but a heart back if he had the SQ and the same hand? It is a mind game but generally I would switch if I did have the SQ rather than if I didn't. I think reading too much into this is asking to be owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellache Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Another question is : Why did East play a second Heart with an entryless hand ? I would have expected a Diamond back if East had xx KQJxxxx Txx x. Why would you expect a diamond back from this hand, but a heart back if he had the SQ and the same hand? It is a mind game but generally I would switch if I did have the SQ rather than if I didn't. I think reading too much into this is asking to be owned.True and not true. Anyway I would have ducked the second Heart ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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