Judgement question

[1eyedjack]

[hv=d=w&v=e&s=skj9863hk2dat9cq6]133|100|Scoring: IMP

W...N...E...S

P...P...1♥..1♠

P...1N..P...??[/hv]

Feel free to disagree with the initial 1♠ if you have something constructive to say.

[barmar]

2♠. If partner weren't a passed hand, I might try 3♠, since I could have much less for an overcall.

[whereagles]

agree, though I prefer 2♥ (showing a full opener) to the 3♠ jump

[Siegmund]

You must overcall lighter than I do... yes, I have a little bit more than I might have, but it is still a 7-loser hand and I don't think it's at all close to showing extras.

 

I would be wanting KQJxxx Kx AJx xx or similar to rebid 3S, and even a little more than that, along with uncertainty about the contract, to rebid 2H - AKJxx xx Kxx Axx maybe?

[1eyedjack]

Yes, thanks for that. We missed what I think is a good-ish 4♠ game when partner held

[hv=d=w&v=e&s=sq5hj63dqj83ca975]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

Ok, it is not a brilliant game but one that I would like to be in, even NV or at MP scoring. Am I wrong about that?

 

I don't see a way of reaching it (not many did, and those which did were not by what I would regard as a confident route). I thought perhaps a 2♥ rebid by me may be the way to go, but even that may not get partner excited enough.

 

Maybe "intermediate jump overcalls" as taught to beginners in the UK is not so bad a philosophy. But even then we are unlikely to get there I think.

[rogerclee]

Ok, it is not a brilliant game but one that I would like to be in, even NV or at MP scoring.  Am I wrong about that?

I think so. On top of needing the diamond finesse and not 4-1 spades (except stiff T), you are also in danger of a trump promotion. Also given that your RHO is a third seat 1H opener, he may not have full values, making the finesse less likely to be on.

[1eyedjack]

I think it is a bit better than that. Unless the opponents attack clubs in time from the hand without the King, I don't need the diamond finesse (unless as you say I suffer 2 trump losers)

[gwnn]

If you play IJO, the more common ranges are 11-15 or 10-13 or something similar. Partner ought to pass it.

[Fluffy]

2♠ shows a good hand on this auction, full opening values at least, no need for anything else.

[P_Marlowe]

1S is normal, unless you happen to play a 2S jump overcall

as inv., not common, espesially at the given vulnerability, but

not the worst idea either.

 

Now 2S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[junyi_zhu]

Yes, thanks for that. We missed what I think is a good-ish 4♠ game when partner held

[hv=d=w&v=e&s=sq5hj63dqj83ca975]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

Ok, it is not a brilliant game but one that I would like to be in, even NV or at MP scoring. Am I wrong about that?

 

I don't see a way of reaching it (not many did, and those which did were not by what I would regard as a confident route). I thought perhaps a 2♥ rebid by me may be the way to go, but even that may not get partner excited enough.

 

Maybe "intermediate jump overcalls" as taught to beginners in the UK is not so bad a philosophy. But even then we are unlikely to get there I think.

You partner can raise 2S to 3S, which seems quite normal to me. 1S then 2S rebid certainly shows a pretty good hand (not good enough to jump to 3S, which need about one queen more), otherwise, you can just bid 2S over 1H (which need about one king less). Whether to accept the invitation or not is certainly a judgement call.

[shevek]

I don't know. While it's normal to say 2♠ over 1NT shows some good hand – too good for an initial 2♠ – sometimes you overcall 1♠ with that strength and an impure hand, say

 

♠K86543  ♥9  ♦AJ6  ♣Q95

 

I would bid 1♠ then 2♠ with this, so I guess I would have to bid 2♥ over 1NT on the actual. Not happy though.

[1eyedjack]

I am interested to see varying views (maybe example hands) on the borderline distinctions (1) between 2♥ and 2♠ and (2) between 2♥ and 3♠ (after the initial stated sequence, which is to say 1♠ overcall, 1NT advance)