Do you open?

[Hanoi5]

White vs red, dealer passes, you hold:

 

♠KT872

♥KQ8

♦K73

♣85

 

What's you call? Why?

[TimG]

I pass because my hand isn't very good.

[Jlall]

I mean, absolutely depends on what my partner expects for an opening bid obviously.

 

If this question is meant to ask "Do you think playing a style where this is an opening bid is a good idea in a standardish system" I would say it probably doesn't matter much at imps, but it's definitely a good idea in MP.

 

If this question is meant to ask "Do you open in a pickup partnership playing a standardish system?" I would say partner would not expect me to open this light since that is not standard, so I would pass at imps, but I would still open at MP because I think the gains outweigh the risks involved with misleading partner.

[Siegmund]

In my non-Drury-playing partnerships this is a semi-mandatory opening, because we're going to have a rebid problem if we pass and partner opens 1♥. (If you do play Drury, there is a similar set of marginal hands with long clubs that open to avoid a rebid problem.)

 

Otherwise, looks optional and very borderline to me. If you do open make sure you've chosen your rebid after 1♠-2♣ and 1♠-2♦. If I am playing Drury I think I pass even at MPs.

[gwnn]

I would have opened as dealer w/r for nuisance. I wouldn't open like this, ty.

 

edit: just to clarify, I don't only open it in 1st seat and w/r. I'm sure I'd open it in other seats too but mainly when I'm NV.

[Vampyr]

I would open this with my favourite partner, because we open 1NT 11-14 NV. We could open 1S, I suppose, but we must open something.

 

Again, it depends on what my agreements are.

[Fluffy]

partnership style issue, in second position I don't open this crap.

[pooltuna]

White vs red, dealer passes, you hold:

 

♠KT872

♥KQ8

♦K73

♣85

 

What's you call? Why?

...on who I am playing with and whether the system is built to handle an opening. IMO I don't think I can open this hand using any 2/1 system.

[mike777]

sure.....again as others said....if that is our agreement, npp. I could even have a bit worse at this vul.

 

Kxxx

KJxx

Kxx

xx

[dake50]

What's wrong with leaving this hand to respond to partner's opener or delayed/

reopening 2S? I see nothing.

[hotShot]

This depends on the partnership agreements about openings in 2nd seat and the corresponding agreements for openings in 4th seat.

 

If it's agreed that 1♠ can be a weak opening, I prefer that.

[hotShot]

What's wrong with leaving this hand to respond to partner's opener or delayed/

reopening 2S? I see nothing.

If you don't mind the obvious 3 reasons:

 

- Your 1♠ bid is quite preemptive and forces your LHO to risk an overcall on the 2 level opposite a passed partner.

 

- Partner might not open in 4th seat without a spade length. Since you have 5 ♠ he's less likely to have ♠ length.

 

- Opps might preempt aggressively in 3rd seat keeping your partner and you from entering the bidding.

[Winstonm]

I mean, absolutely depends on what my partner expects for an opening bid obviously.

 

If this question is meant to ask "Do you think playing a style where this is an opening bid is a good idea in a standardish system" I would say it probably doesn't matter much at imps, but it's definitely a good idea in MP.

 

If this question is meant to ask "Do you open in a pickup partnership playing a standardish system?" I would say partner would not expect me to open this light since that is not standard, so I would pass at imps, but I would still open at MP because I think the gains outweigh the risks involved with misleading partner.

At last the perfect explanation. Nothing to add.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

To open or not is first of all a systemic and a partnership agreement think.

 

We dont open such a hand.

 

The reason being, that my partner found out, that sub min strength openings dont

work well opposite me, ...,

but if you want a more serious argument, although this is also an important point,

which does not get mentioned often:

 

If you open 1S, you dont have a sensible rebid.

 

If you happen to play a weak NT with 11-14, and dont mind to have a 5 card major,

when you open 1NT, than I would say, go ahead.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[jdonn]

I would never open in 1st or 2nd seat playing a standard system. But I'm old and a wimp.

[whereagles]

obvious 9-11 NT lol

[Cyberyeti]

If I open this, it would have to be with a 12-14 1N, and I don't like the fact that it's aceless and the intermediates while good are not stellar. Pass for me.

[billw55]

let's see ..

 

pros:

boss suit

 

cons:

no aces

no shortness

two lonely kings

 

Overall I say pass. But if both pointy kings were spades, I would open B)

[hanp]

25 Zars.

[Codo]

Justin rules.... well said.

[Old York]

Aceless, balance, no rebid..... I pass

 

I would expect the majority to open. I hope they all get too high

 

Tony

[OleBerg]

Partnership style issue, in second position I open this crap.

 

Mainly for the reasons stated by Hotshot.

[hanp]

My girlfriend tells me only to open balanced 11-counts when I don't have a 5-card major. :blink:

[gwnn]

:huh: :blink: :o

[jdonn]

My girlfriend tells me only to open balanced 11-counts when I don't have a 5-card major. :huh:

I hope she's a good cook, or rich, or something.