hrothgar Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Playing IMPs you hold ♠ K9x♥ A8x♦ KJ♣ AQT92 Do you open 1♣ or 1NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcohio Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 1NT for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 15-17: 1NT14-16: close, flip a coin.lower:1C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 1♣ and it's not close despite the previous answers. AQT9x! And good controls on top of that. It's about halfway between 1NT and 2NT by my judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 I am with Josh. This is an 18(+) point balanced hand and therefore a 1♣ opening. Not close at all. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Too good for 1NT. Edit: Although there is no law against holding a maximum, this hand exceeds the upper limits of maximum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 No law against having a maximum. It's still 1NT for me. (Bear in mind that's in the context of someone who has upgraded 14 to open 1NT about twice in his whole life. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 I guess it is not popular to treat doubletons: AJ, KJ, and QJ as a subtractor.Adding back for the nice clubs seems to break even for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 I think everyone would call this a max 1N opener without the T9 of clubs. So... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Playing IMPs you hold ♠ K9x♥ A8x♦ KJ♣ AQT92 Do you open 1♣ or 1NT? 1NT for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 I guess it is not popular to treat doubletons: AJ, KJ, and QJ as a subtractor.Adding back for the nice clubs seems to break even for me. Ok then add for the great controls. Back to too good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Agree with 1♣...2NT. It's sort of interesting, I've noticed that KQ-tight is a really bad holding and seems not to be worth five points. And QJ-tight is obviously poor and not worth three points. But I haven't noticed that KJ-tight is nearly as bad for some reason, and AJ-tight seems like it's probably worth five points. There must be some hard data on this somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 1♣ and it's not close despite the previous answers. AQT9x! And good controls on top of that. It's about halfway between 1NT and 2NT by my judgment. agreed..and with Josh's later post as well. Not close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 For what it's worth, I did a simple simulation. I gave responder fewer than 5 spades, fewer than 4 hearts, fewer than 6 diamonds, fewer than 5 clubs and not 4=4=1=4 -- meant to be a crude attempt to make NT the final contract. HCP 9+ tricks at NT 6 24% 7 53% 8 71% 9 81% Game should make a little more often than the double dummy result shows. From this, it would seem that when responder has 7 (or more) HCP you really don't want the auction to go 1N-P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 1C, I'd bid 1n at MP though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 1C. It is definitely easier to find a club slam after 1C than after 1NT. Not everyone even has methods to find it no matter how cold or obvious that contract is dbl dummy, if NT was opened. If there is no slam, finding NT should not be difficult after a 1C opening. If it is MPs, I just MIGHT open 1NT. It is not that 1NT is a stupid bid, it is just that 1C is so much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 1NT might rightside 4M (if you don't play transfer walsh or something) once in a blue moon, playing at the appropiate level is much more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 1♣ planning a 2NT rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Hi, 1NT. But I am not really in the upgrade business. As it is, you have a nice 5 card suit, but KJ sec, i.e. one plus, one minus,and this basically cancels each other out.A positive feature is, that you are fairly control rich, ... 6 controls are theexpected value for a strong NT, so this actually says, that this is not sospecial, so even this is not a big plus. All in all I would say, that you will be pretty well placed, if you open 1NT,sometimes you have a max, that is great. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 upgrade to 18 and act accordingly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 I would upgrade. The KJ of diamonds is a minus but I'd consider it close to an upgrade if the diamonds were Kx and having the jack instead makes it clear. People may disagree about the particular hand but I really don't understand these people saying they don't upgrade (or downgrade). Point count is only a rough approximation of value and you just have to look at other factors if you want to bid accurately. Choosing not to even try to exercise judgment and following rigid rules instead is not an option IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 People may disagree about the particular hand but I really don't understand these people saying they don't upgrade (or downgrade). Point count is only a rough approximation of value and you just have to look at other factors if you want to bid accurately. Choosing not to even try to exercise judgment and following rigid rules instead is not an option IMO. The problem is we don't know what features are good and what are bad. Some simuls suggests that 5 card suits are overrated when it comes to playing in NT.For example I run simple simul. Given hand opposite 7-8hcp balanced without 8card major fit, then I run this hand: KQ9 A83 KJ8 KQ84 with same constraints. The 2nd hand makes 3nt significantly more often btu no one would dream of calling it anything more than "normal" 18hcp.HCP seems to be very accurate for NT contracts much less so for suit contracts.Choosing the best opening bid seems to be very difficult task which I believe no human can solve at the table with any reasonable accuracy.My intuition say: 1NT because :a)interfering over 1NT is hard, finding any possible game very hardb)leading to strong hand is difficultc)I would rather say I have balanced hand with 15-17hcp than bid clubs saying nothing usefl to partner and quite a lot to opponents (lead D, don't lead C) I see too many +'s of opening 1NT and I don't believe I can accurately upgrade anything but the most obvious cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 1♣ - not close, even without the 10-9. Similarly, I would open 1N without the ♥K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Similarly, I would open 1N without the ♥K. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 1♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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