cnszsun Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=shkjxdaj10xxcqxxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♦-1♠-ps-ps??[/hv]Do you balance? And double or 2♣ if yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Yes balance, and double in case partner has penalty pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Yes balance and 2 club.It is close, but my defensive values are not the best, so I really do not like to hear partners penalty pass, so I show my two suiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 double, no problem yet. I dont think it is close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Yes balance and 2 club.It is close, but my defensive values are not the best, so I really do not like to hear partners penalty pass, so I show my two suiter. Way to be a good employee, Roland, this is lock step with Fred's choice not to pass with strong hands in direct seat :) BTW I agree with your choices :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 absolutely agree with the baseball logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 2C. Partly a systemic question, if you have agreed to reopen, if short,you have to reopen.Since I dont want to play 1Sx, I bid my 2nd suit. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Double. If I wasn't going to double I would sooner pass than bid 2♣. What exactly is the rush to get in my Qxxxx minor on a bad hand? Either the opponents have missed game or partner wants to defend 1♠(X). In neither case is a knee-jerk 2♣ without considering what I am trying to accomplish going to be what partner wants to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 2♣ might lead to a making game if partner is too strong, pass is a big gamble, but anyway I would double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Dbl as well. Not a thing of beauty, to dbl with a void, but the hand has low ODR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Just out of curiosity... For those people who always double as the reopening bid, wanting that lucrative penalty so much that natural description is thrown out the window, do you have any specialized meanings for new suit bids? I mean, 1♥-1♠-P-P-2♣. If I almost always double here, does 2♣ show some sort of 6-6 hand? Does it show seven hearts and a club stiff? Does it infer length in spades (ruling out the possibility of a double), something like 4-5-1-3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Just out of curiosity... For those people who always double as the reopening bid, wanting that lucrative penalty so much that natural description is thrown out the window, do you have any specialized meanings for new suit bids? I mean, 1♥-1♠-P-P-2♣. If I almost always double here, does 2♣ show some sort of 6-6 hand? Does it show seven hearts and a club stiff? Does it infer length in spades (ruling out the possibility of a double), something like 4-5-1-3? I don't always double. Just on this hand :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Just out of curiosity... For those people who always double as the reopening bid, wanting that lucrative penalty so much that natural description is thrown out the window, do you have any specialized meanings for new suit bids? I mean, 1♥-1♠-P-P-2♣. If I almost always double here, does 2♣ show some sort of 6-6 hand? Does it show seven hearts and a club stiff? Does it infer length in spades (ruling out the possibility of a double), something like 4-5-1-3? 7 hearts and a stiff club. How did you know? Seriously I love the leap to the logical conclusion. I don't bid my Q5432 of clubs, therefore I must not play a 2♣ bid as natural! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 I strongly disagree with Josh that pass is better than 2C. I would double though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 I wouldn't sit for a penalty double of 1S with this hand, nor do I want to hear about his spade stopper, so I don't reopen with a double. For me the choices are 2♣ >> pass > double. It's more likely overcaller will continue with 2♠ than anything else - in which case I DO want to hear from my partner as to which minor he prefers, and DON'T want him to be a hero with his xxxx heart suit. I'm sorry, but I can't see any up side whatsoever to double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 I'm sorry, but I can't see any up side whatsoever to double. The upside is that 1♠X is a whole lot better option than you think it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 I'm sorry, but I can't see any up side whatsoever to double. The upside is that 1♠X is a whole lot better option than you think it is."It is a fact that most people here write as if their opinion is a dogmatic fact."- Codo :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSummit Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 pass >> 2c > double for me. your partner didn't bid 1NT nor negative double, i would not be too surprised if opps would bid 4H after balance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Just out of curiosity... For those people who always double as the reopening bid, wanting that lucrative penalty so much that natural description is thrown out the window, do you have any specialized meanings for new suit bids? I mean, 1♥-1♠-P-P-2♣. If I almost always double here, does 2♣ show some sort of 6-6 hand? Does it show seven hearts and a club stiff? Does it infer length in spades (ruling out the possibility of a double), something like 4-5-1-3? 7 hearts and a stiff club. How did you know? Seriously I love the leap to the logical conclusion. I don't bid my Q5432 of clubs, therefore I must not play a 2♣ bid as natural! What?!?!? I gave two natural options. 6-6, or 4513. What, if I give 100 options, 99 of which are natural and one of which is artificial, would you still accuse me of leaping to the artificial assumption? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 I'd definitely bid 2C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 A challenge: For those who double in this sequence almost all the time, please describe a hand where you would bid 2♣. (No one responding has yet.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 A challenge: For those who double in this sequence almost all the time, please describe a hand where you would bid 2♣. (No one responding has yet.) Seriously? 2155 would not reopen X. 2164, 3064, 3055, sometimes 4054. Any 6-5 in the minors. Also don't know about other people, but reopening X with all 1255 and 0355 is stupid. --- xxx KQJxx KQJxx would be an obvious 2C for anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 A challenge: For those who double in this sequence almost all the time, please describe a hand where you would bid 2♣. (No one responding has yet.) Seriously? 2155 would not reopen X. 2164, 3064, 3055, sometimes 4054. Any 6-5 in the minors. Also don't know about other people, but reopening X with all 1255 and 0355 is stupid. --- xxx KQJxx KQJxx would be an obvious 2C for anyone. Your opinion on this doesn't count, because you bid rationally (like me :rolleyes: ). I'm wondering what the people who double with this hand would mean by 2♣. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 A challenge: For those who double in this sequence almost all the time, please describe a hand where you would bid 2♣. (No one responding has yet.) Factors to make me rebid 2♣: Better clubs, worse defense, and/or worse/fewer hearts than on this hand. Justin's example of - xxx KQJxx KQJxx fits all of those factors and seems like a perfect 2♣ bid to me. As for your earlier objection, technically you are correct. I'll leave it as a thought exercise for you to figure out what I meant rather than my misuse of 'natural', or you can continue to lukewarm me by picking holes in the exact way I make the argument at the expense of discussing the actual point. Despite the support for 2♣ I still hate it. I think Siegmund is the only one who has made any sort of real argument in its favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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