MP's 3NT or pass?

[eyhung]

lol eyhung, it is hard to argue with someone who won't listen, but I will try.

Right back at ya.

 

Reread what I said :

 

Most of the time, I expect partner to rebid a [non-forcing] 3NT, 4♣, or 5♣. If 3M makes playing 4♣ impossible, partner darn well better not bid it without being ready for a contract higher than 4♣.

 

If partner rebids 4♣, he has a minimum 3♣ rebid without a heart stop. I think I made that pretty clear in my post, and I think this is a natural and understandable interpretation -- when in doubt, a bid that can be natural nf is natural nf. If you need me to dot the i's and cross the t's, well, what call do you make with something like AJ Jx KJx AQJxxx. Do you really want to force to 5♣ off the top two hearts?

 

If partner rebids 3M, he has an unusual hand. A hand that doesn't mind forcing us past 4♣ because it's prime and has shape. Something like KQx x Kx AQxxxxx, or x Ax KQJx AQTxxx, or AK x Kxx AQxxxxx [slam try, cold opposite CK, DA and a pointy queen]. So it's a false analogy to compare 3NT vs. 5♣, because we only reach 5♣ or higher when partner wants us to.

 

 

Really, I think I have been very explicit in what I expect from partner after 3♦. More so than the other 3♦ advocates. And you didn't even bother to rebut my argument that the major advantage of 3♦ lies in avoiding some obvious disasters and right-siding the contract.

[Fluffy]

Reread what I said :

no thanks, I dropped the subject :)

[quiddity]

Most of the time, I expect partner to rebid a [non-forcing] 3NT, 4♣, or 5♣. If 3M makes playing 4♣ impossible, partner darn well better not bid it without being ready for a contract higher than 4♣.

 

If you need me to dot the i's and cross the t's, well, what call do you make with something like AJ Jx KJx AQJxxx. Do you really want to force to 5♣ off the top two hearts?

I don't follow this. Did the 3D bid deny a 5-card spade suit? If not, I would expect opener to bid 3S very often with unexceptional 3-card support here unless his heart holding is completely no-trumpy. He might even have to bid 3S with Hx if he lacks a heart stopper (as with your example hand). If he bids 4C responder might pass when 4S is cold.