2 balancing decisions

[mich-b]

1.

[hv=d=n&v=n&s=s632hk2dakj53ct73]133|100|Scoring: IMP

P-1♠-P-2♠

P - P - ?[/hv]

 

2.

[hv=d=n&v=n&s=s632hk2dakj53ct73]133|100|Scoring: IMP

P-1♠-P-2♠

P - P - ?[/hv]

 

E-W play 2/1 so 1♣ is 3+.

2♣ was inverted , 10+p , and 4+♣, intended as forcing, though not 100% forcing by PH.

[Ant590]

1. No. Partner is short in spades and still couldn't pre-balance.

 

2. Yeah, I dbl here and pass the inevitable 2♦

[pooltuna]

1.

[hv=d=n&v=n&s=s632hk2dakj53ct73]133|100|Scoring: IMP

P-1♠-P-2♠

P - P - ?[/hv]

 

2.

[hv=d=n&v=n&s=s632hk2dakj53ct73]133|100|Scoring: IMP

P-1♠-P-2♠

P - P - ?[/hv]

 

E-W play 2/1 so 1♣ is 3+.

2♣ was inverted , 10+p , and 4+♣, intended as forcing, though not 100% forcing by PH.

1) V vs NV is the wrong conditions for balancing IMO

 

2) yes I would try as it looks like RHO had 2/1 3rd seat opener and be ready to apologize when P bids 2♦

[dake50]

1. 3D. Partner didn't suggest Hearts with pre-balance double, so likely minors.

2. X. Who has Majors? As Ant590, I always get 2D missing hoped M-fit. Still worth a try.

 

 

Re passing 2D: won't partner strain a gut to bid 2M even if only 3xM? Then 2D MUST have 5xD.

[andy_h]

1) Pass, even though I don't really believe in obar.

2) Double. RHO could have opened light or LHO might have 8/9 with a shortage or whatever.

[aguahombre]

On Problem two: The posters quite properly say "when partner bids 2D" or describe it as inevitable.

 

They either feel, or have calculated that this hand is more likely to find opener with 4-4-2-3, than normal expectation. Partner could not open, responder has stuff, opener didn't re-up with 3C, and I only have a balanced ten-count. Partner couldn't double on his second round or bid 2D.

 

I stay out.

[OleBerg]

1) Why I overcall at the 2-level on 5-card suits. Pass now.

 

2) X, and convert 2♦ to 2♥.

[Jlall]

Can't believe people are passing hand 1

[gwnn]

3♦ (I would almost bid 2♦ but not unfavorable).

 

pass double (but I bid 1♠ before).

Edited January 3, 2010 by gwnn

[MarkDean]

1. Pass

2. Double

 

I cannot imagine bidding 3♦ on 1. Partner is a passed hand who could not double 2♠, and we are red at IMPs.

[pooltuna]

Can't believe people are passing hand 1

you aren't laying enough traps when an NV game is possible but remote :) or your opponents aren't :)

[gnasher]

If you double on the second one, I don't think you should pass 2♦. Partner has about a 9-count and didn't overcall. He's likely to have only four of them.

[jdonn]

Isn't the first a textbook 3♦? We even have the desired spade length without wastage.

 

Double on the second and I don't pass 2♦.

[Jlall]

Isn't the first a textbook 3♦? We even have the desired spade length without wastage.

 

Double on the second and I don't pass 2♦.

I mean...even jdonn is balancing! Come on!

[Hanoi5]

3♦ on the first X on the 2nd (2♥ over the dreaded 2♦).

[dellache]

1. Pass. 3♦ at these colors (even when they have a fit, and I have xxx in their suit) seems a bit crazy to me : LHO may have an easy double, and I doubt the conclusion will be a happy one then. 5332 sucks, even after 1M 2M.

2. Double, then 2♥ over 2♦.

[bluecalm]

Some time ago it was insta balance for me hand 1. Now I've changed my mind (after watching tons of vugraphs of wc players). I can bet my ass that the best player in the world (in my very uinformed opinion) would pass that, so I pass too :-)

 

Not to say that there aren't some who would balance. I am sure there are but the one I am trying to model my play on is passing those 1H - 2H, 1S - 2S auctions very very often.

I would also pass if you move ♠ spot to ♣'s.

[Patapon]

1) Pass : more to lose than to win here I think.

 

2) X and 2♥ on 2♦ , showing both majors 4-4 (or 5-4 with 5 small cards)

[Siegmund]

First hand I overcalled 2D the first round.

 

Second hand, I don't like the fact they have most the points and couldn't raise. At MP I double, at IMP I pass. And if I believe they are in the midst of a system accident, not just a judgment issue, I def pass.

[655321]

Going for 500 at IMPs is not the end of the world.

 

If the opponents are making 110, we would pick up 6 IMPs for getting +110, and lose 9 for -500 (or 8 if they make 140). So if opponents always make 110, if we make 3♦ 50% of the time, go -100 25% of the time, and get doubled for 500 25% of the time, we would come out ahead by balancing. Of course, if you think that we would go for 500 about as often as we would turn -110 into +110 then you would be right to pass.

 

(I would almost bid 2♦ but not unfavorable).

Gwnn, I am shocked that you would even almost make such a horrible bid! :)

[Jlall]

These same people who will never bid vulnerable at imps on a partial deal will also never double vulnerable at imps on a partial deal (zOMG IT IS IMPS WE CANNOT DOUBLE A PARTIAL EVER WITHOUT GOOD TRUMPS AND 8 TRICKS).

 

It is so much safer to bid 3D here at imps than at MP vs good opps it is ridiculous. At MP you will get doubled whenever they have like 22+ HCP and balanced hands, and you will go -200 a lot. Here there is basically no downside.

[gwnn]

Gwnn, I am shocked that you would even almost make such a horrible bid! :)

wait til you see my cardplay hands :)

[BudH]

Even red vs. white at imps I'm balancing with 3♦ on the first hand. The second hand I double and pass an unfortunate 2♦ advance.

 

Bud H

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

#1 Pass, since we are red.

#2 Pass, the time to bid was over 1C with 1S, I am not going to

go in now

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[whereagles]

Can't believe people are passing hand 1

that's because it's a forum problem :) In real life we all either overcall 2♦ or balance 3♦ :angry:

 

as to hand 2, dbl + pull 2♦ to 2♥. Pard shouldn't have 5 diamonds because he passed 1♣ with what probably is a hand with short clubs and a few hcps.