Phil Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Scoring - ? (specify if it matters to you) One of the better local club players gave me this hand and I wanted to get your take: ♠K5x ♥xxx ♦AKTxx ♣Qx 1♦ - (1♠) - 2♥ - (2♠) ? Bonus question - are we in a forcing pass here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 3♥, support with support :lol: (I don't think my hand is all that bad in hearts) bonus: it should be forcing since 2♥ is forcing to either 3♦ or 3♥ or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 wtp ?I would consider 3H opposite negative free bid let alone forcing 2H. I don't think we are in forcing pass situation here either. I don't like overusing the convention. Pass = nothing to say is my favorite treatment in bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I wouldn't dream of not raising with three card support. PASS is probably forcing but it denies three card support. It would be possible for PASS to be not forcing if it just shows a balancedish minimum. In which case we might judge that it is best to defend undoubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 pls bid 3H, kthxbai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevek Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Yet again I forgot to open 1NT and we were -500 in 4♥x. Partner had the expected ♠xx ♥AKJ9x ♦Jxx ♣Axx At least we right-side if I open 1NT (Rubensohl if required) and are less likely to get doubled. Will we ever learn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kid Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I'll bid 3♥, not a forcing pass auction for me. Will you bid 2NT with 11-14 hands with 3-2-4-4 or 4-2-4-3? Pass seems like a very sane bid to make in those cases, happy to play 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Yet again I forgot to open 1NT and we were -500 in 4♥x. Partner had the expected ♠xx ♥AKJ9x ♦Jxx ♣Axx At least we right-side if I open 1NT (Rubensohl if required) and are less likely to get doubled. Will we ever learn? You have to be very unlucky to go down two or more tricks in 4♥ with these two hands, and to get doubled is truly unlucky. I have been in worse games than this. As for the original questions, raising to 3♥ is clear, and pass is forcing. Pass doesn't show anything, but since the 2♥ bidder guaranteed another call, he can't pass. The raise to 3♥ is not forcing (I assume that everyone knows that, but no one mentioned it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 3♥. I think the auction is forcing, but not in terms of a sequence that you can use for a pass-then-bid type. Most of the time responder will just either bid 3x or double as he is short in spades. Or in other words, we should bid what we have now, given the competitive nature of the auction since LHO can still bid something. So there's probably a small case where opener has <3♥ and weak NT with responder having 5♥332 and an 11count where the auction will die out in 2♠. Ok, so it's technically not a 'forcing' auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Scoring - ? (specify if it matters to you) One of the better local club players gave me this hand and I wanted to get your take: ♠K5x ♥xxx ♦AKTxx ♣Qx 1♦ - (1♠) - 2♥ - (2♠) ? Bonus question - are we in a forcing pass here? Interesting hand My first thought was what does 2nt mean here? Many forum players play good/bad 2nt....is it on here, can I bid 2nt and then 3h...compared to a direct 3h... thinking out loud...good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Indeed - thanks all. Nearly everyone passed except the guy that showed me the hand. I thought - yeah I hate my ♠K, but I kind of like the rest of my hand, so 3♥ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Don't downgrade an honor in a suit bid on your left too much! It was just a one level overcall, it was raised on your right too, partner has shown some strength, you may not even need the honor to be working, blah blah blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Hi, 3H. And assuming that 2H was just a 1 round force, we are certainly not in a forcing Pass.Now it could be argued, that 2H forces our side to play at least 2NT,and because of this, if they intervene below this level, we are in a forcing Pass, but I would really doubt that this is mainstream thinking. And the tricky question would be, upto which level did the 2H create aforce? With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonottawa Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 The combination of 3 bad hearts and the likely (albeit not guaranteed) prospect of no longer holding an opening hand got me to pass. I don't want a ♥ lead and I don't want to force pard into a pushy 4♥. Partner is 95% sure to bid again (even if we're not in a forcing auction he's short in ♠) and now when I correct his 3-level bid to 3♥ he'll know I have something like this. Did your friend get a top or a bottom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 The combination of 3 bad hearts and the likely (albeit not guaranteed) prospect of no longer holding an opening hand got me to pass. I don't want a ♥ lead and I don't want to force pard into a pushy 4♥. Partner is 95% sure to bid again (even if we're not in a forcing auction he's short in ♠) and now when I correct his 3-level bid to 3♥ he'll know I have something like this. Did your friend get a top or a bottom? I think the opponents felt like he made a 'lucky' decision by raising and getting a plus out of 3♠ down (3♥ is down too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 If pass suggests a minimum without anything to say, I think it's a reasonable choice at IMPs. With this spade holding, I'm happy to slow things down a bit. If I pass, partner acts, and I now bid 3♥, I've probably converted 4♥-1 into 3♥=. If 2♠ is passed out, I've probably just swapped -50 for -110. At matchpoints I'd raise to 3♥ immediately, because I don't want to swap -50 for -110, and also because partner is less likely to bid a pushy game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 IMOPass is forcing,3♥ is a better bidJLall's "KTHXBAI" is one of the abbreviations that I didn't understand in a ms messenger quiz. Why not "OKTHXBYE"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I don't understand not raising - strange bridge ... :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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