kgr Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 In another topic it was explained that vs experts:AKQ3456If you play AKQ than opp who showed the 2 will more likely have the 4-card. But I often play against less experts, who will always play these card from low to high and not random. Is there a similar conclusion then or are both opps equally likely to hold the 4th card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 In another topic it was explained that vs experts:AKQ3456If you play AKQ than opp who showed the 2 will more likely have the 4-card. But I often play against less experts, who will always play these card from low to high and not random. Is there a similar conclusion then or are both opps equally likely to hold the 4th card? If your opps seriously always play up the line, then there is no read when all the small cards are played. However if one person plays the highest card (the jack in this case), it is 100 % that the other person has the fourth card. So if Jxx is out you will ALWAYS know who has the fourth card, and if there is Jxxx out you will have no clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted December 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 In another topic it was explained that vs experts:AKQ3456If you play AKQ than opp who showed the 2 will more likely have the 4-card. But I often play against less experts, who will always play these card from low to high and not random. Is there a similar conclusion then or are both opps equally likely to hold the 4th card? If your opps seriously always play up the line, then there is no read when all the small cards are played. However if one person plays the highest card (the jack in this case), it is 100 % that the other person has the fourth card. So if Jxx is out you will ALWAYS know who has the fourth card, and if there is Jxxx out you will have no clue. yes, right (I didn't even think about that)...If opps play 2xJ (or x2J) against you, will you rather play him for 3-card or 4-card? I mean: Do opps at your level mostly play these cards random or rather up the line, and certainly the higher cards like the J (certainly if the T did not appear yet)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 In another topic it was explained that vs experts:AKQ3456If you play AKQ than opp who showed the 2 will more likely have the 4-card. But I often play against less experts, who will always play these card from low to high and not random. Is there a similar conclusion then or are both opps equally likely to hold the 4th card? If your opps seriously always play up the line, then there is no read when all the small cards are played. However if one person plays the highest card (the jack in this case), it is 100 % that the other person has the fourth card. So if Jxx is out you will ALWAYS know who has the fourth card, and if there is Jxxx out you will have no clue. yes, right (I didn't even think about that)...If opps play 2xJ (or x2J) against you, will you rather play him for 3-card or 4-card? I mean: Do opps at your level mostly play these cards random or rather up the line, and certainly the higher cards like the J (certainly if the T did not appear yet)? I am of the opinion that almost nobody randomizes their spot cards enough, and that there is a lot of information to be gained by exploiting this fact. Few people seem to even think about the spot cards that the opps have played, which imo is a huge mistake. However, when cards are equals, I think experts in general randomize their spot cards fairly well (including if the ten is gone, and they have J9, playing pretty randomly). In practice though they cannot start by playing the J with J98 if the ten is not already gone, for instance. These kind of suit combos are very abstract for that reason; the opps don't have perfect information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 In another topic it was explained that vs experts:AKQ3456If you play AKQ than opp who showed the 2 will more likely have the 4-card. The suit combo was AKQ3 vs 45, if you have 7 cards and play 3 rounds yo won't have many clues to guess. Howeverwith 7 cards playing 2 rounds you can deduce many things as well. Tehre was a problem on a kelsey's book where it was 3-3 vs finese thing. After playing AK you had to decide wich line. He explained that given some spots you could and should apply some restricted choice and that the suit was actually 3-3 66% of the time, much better than the finese. Don't remember the combo fully sadly :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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