flytoox Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 Just played a hand with a star player. W N E S-- 1S 2D 2N3C 3N X PASSP P [hv=n=sqjt9xhkxdkxcaxxx&w=sxxxhqxxxxdxxxcjx&e=sakhjxxxdajtxxcxx&s=s8xxhaxdqxxckqt8x]399|300|[/hv] THE WORST BID IS1) 2N2) 3N3) PASS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceOfHeart Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 It really depends on what you play 2nt as here.If you play it as natural(alot of people i know never play any 2nt bid as nat). North hand dont seem enough to go 3. spade looks like slow tricks. the dbl is also questionable, what is 3C anyway?. Just my 2 cents. I am not really expert or advanced so my answer can be totally off. I just feeling posty today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 what is 3C anyway? I'd also like to know this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 what is 3C anyway? I'd also like to know this. when asked, LHO says natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 2NT. What is that?? You have an invitational hand with ♠ support, bid 3♠ and get it over with... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 2NT. What is that?? You have an invitational hand with ♠ support, bid 3♠ and get it over with... :blink: 2N is natural. Not sure 3S is limited raise here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysen2k Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 2NT. What is that?? You have an invitational hand with ♠ support, bid 3♠ and get it over with... :blink:I agree and think 2NT as natural is the worst. As I play 3♠ as preemptive in this situation, I bid 3♦ as limit raise or better with exactly 3 trumps. I'm still puzzled by the 3♣ bid although I'm assuming the "assign the blame" is restricted to N-S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 Really need to understand your agreements. In particular, is 2NT natural or some kind of conventional spade raise? From my perspective, 2NT is problematic. Responder has a 7 loser hand with 3 card Spade support. 2NT doesn't seem correct. If our openings are reasonably sound, then I prefer 3♣, natural and forcing, intending to show Spade support on the next round. If partner rebids in Spades, then I'm happy to bid 4S. If our openings are weaker, then I'll cue bid to show a limit+ in support of Spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriorKnowledge Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 natural 2N, poor, but not that bad3N - stretch, but not bad. After all, has spade intermediates and 2nd diam stopper.Pass - boo, hiss! horrible, terrible, awful. especially after the double. Initial bid 3D = LR+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 2N as Richard said depends a lot on what you were playing, if 2N is natural as it seems I think I prefer a 3cl bid since 2N should show more cards and values in the red suits. 3N is the worst bid no doubts. Why with 4 clubs and a semi-balanced hand do you want to play 3N if you can double 3cl by them ? If west retreats to 3d after the dbl then north should pass and south will surely bid 3s or 4s ending the auction. I'd blame North 100% for bidding 3N instead of a logical dbl. Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 3NT by North is horrible, he should X. Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos59 Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 2NT 100% of the blamePass gets the rest Both of South's bid are horrible; when you have a pickuppartner you MUST show immediately support if youhave it; if not, you are the sole guilty for any accident thatmay happen. But our star here compounded the felony by passing the double,hence 200% guilty :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben47 Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 It is good to know what you play, if you don't know what you play that's not so good. Agree with north's bidding (yes including the pass!). As for south: Assuming that without agreement 2NT is natural, the right bid is 3♦. After 3NT double you get a second chance to show spades, this time by bidding them. East obviously has a (double?) spade stopper and expects to set 3NT by running ♦. Your spade fit will be a nasty surprise for him. Gerben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 The worst bid is 2♦.The next worst bid is double of 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 South doesn't have the right spades for NT, the right hearts for NT (partner probably doesn't have them, and if heart lead is right, West might have a clue), or the right diamonds for NT. (The clubs are OK IMHO.) Don't be too hard on South, though, everybody misclicks occasionally. We teach our beginners to support a major with support. Makes life much easier for partner. Still good advice at any level. There are those that think they know when to play an eight-card major fit in notrump. Hopefully, after this hand, there should be one less of those players, namely South. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 i agree with richard, 2nt seems wrong.. 3C stands out to me.. as for 3nt, i agree with luis that x looks better, however i don't think i'd say it's the 100% bid i think the 2nt bid is 75%, 3nt 25% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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