jdonn Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Sorry Ken I never read your posts if they are longer than a couple sentences. However I think it's something like this: Ken: I play 5NT after showing aces, no problemJosh: Playing 5NT is a problem!Ken: But since you are already above 5♦ it's the lowest contract you can stop in, OMG how dumb can you be, you accepted the slam try so you have missed 4NT and you are at 5♥ or 5♠ so you can't stop in 5♦ any more!Josh by sarcastic insinuation: Three points. One, stopping in 5NT is a problem even if the alternatives are worse. Two, no one makes you bid something higher than 5♦ to say you think maybe we can make slam or maybe we can't (the same message as showing your aces). Three, your point is moot since the 4NT bidder will never have 0 aces so after 5♥+ you are never stopping in 5NT (I think this was mentioned by someone already). Anyway this is now boring me, your frustrated ranting has become more entertaining than the bridge question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Sorry Ken I never read your posts if they are longer than a couple sentences. However I think it's something like this: Ken: I play 5NT after showing aces, no problemJosh: Playing 5NT is a problem!Ken: But since you are already above 5♦ it's the lowest contract you can stop in, OMG how dumb can you be, you accepted the slam try so you have missed 4NT and you are at 5♥ or 5♠ so you can't stop in 5♦ any more!Josh by sarcastic insinuation: Three points. One, stopping in 5NT is a problem even if the alternatives are worse. Two, no one makes you bid something higher than 5♦ to say you think maybe we can make slam or maybe we can't (the same message as showing your aces). Three, your point is moot since the 4NT bidder will never have 0 aces so after 5♥+ you are never stopping in 5NT (I think this was mentioned by someone already). Anyway this is now boring me, your frustrated ranting has become more entertaining than the bridge question. Well, actually, you missed the context. PEANUT GALLERY: Answering Aces won't work because you cannot bid 5♦ and have to play 6♦-1KEN: Um, try 5NTJOSH: 5NT? What system knows that 11 tricks are available?KEN: Who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old York Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 So did it make? I love it when I'm in a potentially ambiguous auction and a bid has a couple of possible meanings and my hand happens to cover both. 5♠ would seem to qualify here. E might have showed minors rather than just ♦. 6♣ looks like the best slam. I expected a 6 card diamond suit, or a very good 5 card suit, so am a bit surprised. West has 14 total points and East has 19, that makes 33, but 2 keycards could be missing so rkcb is needed, both hands have good controls As for the play.... is it too simplistic to play for divided honours, leading to the queen and finessing the 9 on the way back.... 75%? Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 So did it make? I love it when I'm in a potentially ambiguous auction and a bid has a couple of possible meanings and my hand happens to cover both. 5♠ would seem to qualify here. E might have showed minors rather than just ♦. 6♣ looks like the best slam. I expected a 6 card diamond suit, or a very good 5 card suit, so am a bit surprised. West has 14 total points and East has 19, that makes 33, but 2 keycards could be missing so rkcb is needed, both hands have good controls As for the play.... is it too simplistic to play for divided honours, leading to the queen and finessing the 9 on the way back.... 75%? Tony The clear play at trick one looks like a diamond toward the Queen, which wins in practice. On the way back, the King appears to be behind the AJ9. If North follows, which happens when it makes a difference, and if South has the King, then hooking the 9 does nothing for you. Better to just rise with the Ace and then play another diamond out. That way, you win whenever someone could ruff in (like after a spade lead). On a spade lead, however, small toward the Queen causes South to pop King and give partner a ruff. So, 6♦ never makes on a spade lead. 5NT or 6NT does work, though, as 12 tricks seem to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Sorry Ken I never read your posts if they are longer than a couple sentences. However I think it's something like this: Ken: I play 5NT after showing aces, no problemJosh: Playing 5NT is a problem!Ken: But since you are already above 5♦ it's the lowest contract you can stop in, OMG how dumb can you be, you accepted the slam try so you have missed 4NT and you are at 5♥ or 5♠ so you can't stop in 5♦ any more!Josh by sarcastic insinuation: Three points. One, stopping in 5NT is a problem even if the alternatives are worse. Two, no one makes you bid something higher than 5♦ to say you think maybe we can make slam or maybe we can't (the same message as showing your aces). Three, your point is moot since the 4NT bidder will never have 0 aces so after 5♥+ you are never stopping in 5NT (I think this was mentioned by someone already). Anyway this is now boring me, your frustrated ranting has become more entertaining than the bridge question. Well, actually, you missed the context. PEANUT GALLERY: Answering Aces won't work because you cannot bid 5♦ and have to play 6♦-1KEN: Um, try 5NTJOSH: 5NT? What system knows that 11 tricks are available?KEN: Who cares? Well at the risk of exceeding Josh's attention span I will attempt to ask one question. Josh, your partner has just made a quantitative 4NT bid and you have the hand to accept what do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 On the way back, the King appears to be behind the AJ9. If North follows, which happens when it makes a difference, and if South has the King, then hooking the 9 does nothing for you. Better to just rise with the Ace and then play another diamond out. That way, you win whenever someone could ruff in (like after a spade lead). What if North had ducked the Q from KTxx ♦? Then finessing the 9 would have an advantage.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 On the way back, the King appears to be behind the AJ9. If North follows, which happens when it makes a difference, and if South has the King, then hooking the 9 does nothing for you. Better to just rise with the Ace and then play another diamond out. That way, you win whenever someone could ruff in (like after a spade lead). What if North had ducked the Q from KTxx ♦? Then finessing the 9 would have an advantage.... I pay up to that play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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