Fluffy Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 ♠A10xx♥KQJxx♦KJ♣Ax 1♥-1♠2NT-3♥4♠-4NT (4♠= 4522)5♣-5♦ (5♣=3 of 6)?? How do you answers queens with double fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 I don't these methods, but: 5M this queen but not the other, 5N: Both, no minor king, 6m: Both, this king, 6♥ Both, and both kings. Would seem logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 you are lacking a neither option tyler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 I play that two queens count as an extra keycard. Someone once told me this was a terrible method, but I still haven't really seen why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 we played that it's always the higher ranking queen that you're asking about. i didn't like the rule at first but it's simple. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 5♥= no queen5♠=♠Q5NT=♥Q6♣=Both queens and ♣K6♦=Both queens and ♦K6♥=Both queens and no outside King.6♠=Both queens and both outside Kings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 that look wonderful mannude, but it is too specific, what are the general agreements?. I'd rather have 5♥ 0, 5♠ 1, 5NT 2 than something that depends on each sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 It is only in the specific case of both majors that you can distinguish between both kings and neither without looking at your hand. Generally: Cheapest bid= no queen5NT= lower QueenBid the higher queen as low as you can (not ideal as this assumes each suit can play just as well as the other)6 lower agreed= both queens and either both or neither king (should be able to tell which).6 other= both queens and that king. This can force you into 6N or grand when spades are not one of the agreed suits, however with 2 sources of tricks, 6N may well (not always) be ok anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 5♥= no queen5♠=♠Q5NT=♥Q6♣=Both queens and ♣K6♦=Both queens and ♦K6♥=Both queens and no outside King.6♠=Both queens and both outside Kings.I like manodude's treatment. Following up, after 5♥ or 5♠ , then 5NT would be a normal specific K-ask. But after 5NT ( ♥ Q ) , then 6 ♣ = specific K-ask and perhaps the replies could be:6♦ = no ♣ K, but have ♦ K6♥ = neither ♣ K or ♦ K6♠ = ♣ K but no ♦ K6NT = both ♣ K and ♦ K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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