Can you bid (either) slam?

[dcohio]

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[dicklont]

I would open 1♠ and not find slam.

1♠ - 2♦

2♠ (min.) - 2NT

3♣ - 3 NT

pass

 

I would go down in 6♠ but be pleased to play 6♣.

[Jlall]

1S 2C (bal or clubs GF)

3H 4N

 

is a good start. 4N here is definitely natural, and almost always shows 2443. With 3 spades you bid 3S, if you want to set clubs you bid 4C. Obv you might have 4 clubs and be loaded in the reds and just want to make a quantitative move though.

 

4H over 3H to me would show this shape and either too much to bid 4N, or just hearts that are too weak to do so. Kx Jxxx AKxx Kxx would bid 4H.

 

4D over 3H would be keycard to me.

 

Over 4N east would just bid 5C. He has already opened, and now will be showing a 5th club, he's not going to do more imo.

 

Over 5C west would consider bidding 6. He has AK A for the 3 red cards (partner is 5-5). So he just needs to negotiate 1 black loser. Still I don't think he ever would bid 6, if partner is 5-5 rather than 6-5 the hand is MUCH worse because setting up spades will be more difficult. Not to mention his trumps are really bad, and he has already shown his strength and shape, so even though the honors are looking good, it's not enough to bid 6.

 

Possibly responder should bid 4H, but the T9 of hearts argues against this, not to mention 4H is not a slam try so he will have to guess to underbid or overbid later.

 

So:

 

1S 2C

3H 4N

5C p

 

is my auction.

[mike777]

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very tough......a bit double dummy perhaps

 

I play a style where 3c does not promise extras and 2s shows 6.

 

 

 

1s=2d

3c?=3nt

4c=4d(rkc for c)(the only way i have to rkc in clubs)(4nt would be natural here)

4nt(2)=6c

 

For me the issue is do I rebid 2s which for me promises 6(not a great spade suit) or do I show my excellent club suit which does not promise extras.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

1S - 2D (1)

2S (2) - 3NT (3)

4C (4) - ... 6C / 6S

 

 

(1) promising at least another bid

(2) min or just waiting, my partner may bid 3C

(3) 2NT would be nonforcing, ..., in the contxt of recent changes,

this may not be consistent anymore

(4) should be 6-5, slam interest is not 100% certain, but opener does

not want to play 3NT

(5) no better idea

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[gnasher]

Playing a 2/1 style where responder bids his longest suit, maybe

 

1♠-2♦

2♠-2NT

3♣-3♠

4♣-4♦

4♥-6♣

 

but it's a horrible auction - opener hasn't managed to limit his hand, and we exchanged two cue bids without knowing what trumps were.

[hanp]

I would start with 1S - 2C. Opener would show a minimal 6-5 and I think responder has enough to ask for keycards in clubs.

[Jlall]

I would start with 1S - 2C. Opener would show a minimal 6-5 and I think responder has enough to ask for keycards in clubs.

Definitely disagree with keycard, the trump jack is gonna be really important and a minimum 6-5 could be quite weak. If it's possible to just make a slam try, I would prefer that.

[dcohio]

2 pairs found it 1 in clubs, 1 in spades... both of those pairs, WEST opened the bidding with 1NT, neither east opened. Every other pair east opened and all of us wound up in 3NT making 4.

 

Our auction:

 

1S- 2D! (game forcing 4+d, does not deny 4+h)

3C-3NT

AP

 

I thought about bidding 4C or 4S over 3NT

[P_Marlowe]

I would start with 1S - 2C. Opener would show a minimal 6-5 and I think responder has enough to ask for keycards in clubs.

Definitely disagree with keycard, the trump jack is gonna be really important and a minimum 6-5 could be quite weak. If it's possible to just make a slam try, I would prefer that.

..., it may make sense to agree, that 4D after 4C is a slam try for

clubs, 4H is a slam try for spades (in theory the otherway round is

better, but lets keep lower suit for the lower suit), but this would be

a highly special agreement.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[hanp]

We would indeed end up bidding 4C to show the 6-5 (but this is quite coincidental). Now for us 4D would be to drop in game, 4H would be RKC for spades, 4S would show slam interest in spades, 4NT would be RKC for clubs and 5C would show slam interest in clubs.

 

At MPs perhaps one could bid 4S and then 6C if partner accepts, since you probably don't want to play 5C.