maggieb Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 1C 1S P P1N X P 2C What is 2C (or what should it be)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 It might be natural but I would prefer it to mean "pick a read suit". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 two-way bid. It is natural when I hold X XXX XX XXXXXXXIt is reds when I hold X XXXXX XXXXX XX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Natural. Advancer is short in spades, opener has about 18+ with probable 4-card spade suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Natural. Likely hands: opener: bal 18-19overcaller: bal 15-17responder: miseryadvancer: misery with clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 natural unless he redoubles next 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Natural...advancer holds a club bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I'm surprised at these answers, but maybe we have different expectations for partner's double. If I were the doubler I'd have a semi-three-suiter with club shortage, and 2♣ would be trying to find the best fit outside clubs. Advancer might have both red suits, or 2-4 in spades and a red-suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 My default agreements would have this being natural. Choice of suits sounds useful as well, but many of those hands are balanced and will just want to pass and take their chances anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Natural. Odd we'd want to create a force, or even make pard choose a new suit with LHO and pard having a strong hands and we passed 1♠. Is ♣QJT-7th so unusual here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I think it asks partner to pick a red suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Opener ostensibly has 18-19 balanced. Partner ostensibly has much of the remainder. So, when would I pull? Seems that either very long one-suiter and garbage or wild two-suiter and garbage both make sense. I think either is possible. So, what makes more sense? If you want to maximize options, maybe 2♣ should be clubs and a red suit, and red suits natural? Then you actually cover four options rather than three. Not sure what standard is. I would have thought natural without discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggieb Posted December 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 If you want to maximize options, maybe 2♣ should be clubs and a red suit, and red suits natural? Then you actually cover four options rather than three.I think this is a mirage, because partner is extremely likely to have a singleton club anyway, and partner doesn't know if our red suit is in hearts or diamonds, so it's not like he can make an educated decision about whether he wants to play clubs or our red suit. I think it asks partner to pick a red suit. If you bid 2♣ and convert 2♦ to 2♥, presumably this shows something like 2434? Or is this some other hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 If you want to maximize options, maybe 2♣ should be clubs and a red suit, and red suits natural? Then you actually cover four options rather than three.I think this is a mirage, because partner is extremely likely to have a singleton club anyway, and partner doesn't know if our red suit is in hearts or diamonds, so it's not like he can make an educated decision about whether he wants to play clubs or our red suit. I think it asks partner to pick a red suit. If you bid 2♣ and convert 2♦ to 2♥, presumably this shows something like 2434? Or is this some other hand? 2C then 2H is 2-4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I think that natural makes more sense because I will more often hold a hand where I need to stop in 2 clubs then a hand where I need partner to pick the better red suit. Partner is short in clubs, opener has a balanced hand and his partner did not preempt in clubs or convert 1 NT to 2 clubs . It is quite likely that we must hold some clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 One thing is certain. 1C 1S P P 1N X P 2CX P P XX ... definitely says pick a red suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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