mcphee Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 The opps pass and your side finds this auction1C 1NT3H I was somewhat surprised at what some players felt 3H was. So lets see what this group feels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Splinter with clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Splinter with clubs. Yeah; some kind of strong 3136 or 7♣1♥(32). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2osmom Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 self splinter in clubs for me as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Classic self-splinter; strong, long Clubs .2H would have been a forcing bid ( reverse ), so 3H is a jump over a forcing bidwhich is the general definition for a splinter.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Another in this category would be:1C - 1H1NT - 3S! = self-splinter; strong, long Hts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 We have defined it as 4-1-3-5 with 19+, due to not opening 1D. 1C 1NT 3D would be 4-4-1-4 big1C 1NT 3S would be 1-4-3-5 big. (1-3-4-5 would reverse)1D 1NT 3H would be 4-1-4-4 big1D 1NT 3S would be 1-4-4-4 big. Very specific, and not workable in certain other styles. Just describing what we do.Big hands with void in X would reverse or jump shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Splinter, clubs agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 If you play on BBO with a more of less random partner, you had best not assume he will understand tihs meaning (yes, it is a fine meaning to be a self-splinter). In one two month period, the auction 1C- 1NT3X where 3X was diamonds, hearts or spades, occurred 590 times. Once it was a void,Six times it was a singleton A fair number of hands (about 1/3) the 3 bidder had a long suit in the bid suit (strong club system obviously). The other nearly two thrids of the time, the jumper had a two suiter with either 4 or 5 in the second suit and a longer club suit. Sort of an extra strong reverse I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I know people whi insist that this shows a 6 club/5 heart hand with not enough HCP strength for a real reverse. You do not like this? Nor do I, but still it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted December 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 For me I thought it was just obvious as a splinter, after all nothing else makes any sense to me. However Codo will be pleased to know that I found some other player who believes it was 5H and 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 pretty sure it's a Garozzo gadget. Not sure if he still plays it but I think he invented it (simple jump in a higher suit=~10-13 with 5-6) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I would take that as some 6-5 bordering on a 2♣ opener (or equivalent). Why? Because of the common sense rule that undiscussed bids are supposed to be NATURAL :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I would take that as some 6-5 bordering on a 2♣ opener (or equivalent). Why? Because of the common sense rule that undiscussed bids are supposed to be NATURAL :) Someone who thinks doublejumps into a new suit are natural, does not play splinters at all. Apparently no strength-showing reverses either, if they need 3H as natural. All those, please raise your hands so I can mark you as enemy:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I have heard of what Codo suggests and I also don't like it. Self splinter is fine and what I consider normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 If you play on BBO with a more of less random partner, you had best not assume he will understand tihs meaning (yes, it is a fine meaning to be a self-splinter). In one two month period, the auction 1C- 1NT3X where 3X was diamonds, hearts or spades, occurred 590 times. Once it was a void,Six times it was a singleton A fair number of hands (about 1/3) the 3 bidder had a long suit in the bid suit (strong club system obviously). The other nearly two thrids of the time, the jumper had a two suiter with either 4 or 5 in the second suit and a longer club suit. Sort of an extra strong reverse I guess.Yes I have run across this as well. When the CHO labels himself an expert or a WC and does this, I promptly move him into my ♣list with the AFI designation so I will recognize him in the future :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmilne Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Yeah, this looks like a splinter to me. I do like that so-called Garozzo gadget on some hands though - 1C-1H-2S being ~10-13, 5/6 has had a fair amount of success in my partnership. We certainly don't play 1C-1S-3H the same way though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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