Fluffy Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 ♠Qxx♥KJ6x♦AQJx♣Q10 1NT-2♥2♠-3♣?? 3♣= 4+♣ GF at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 This isn't the hand for it. You have a doubleton in partner's suit that may be good for a ruff or two, and your hearts are not particularly solid. Also the ace of diamonds will not hurt you in spades. I think the hand would have to be more special than this one, maybe Jxx KQTx AQJ KJx or something. It's not perfect but it's good enough I would say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Is it imps or MP? At imps I would def bid 3N, not sure about MP. BTW it is important to remember that the auction 3S-3N from here is possible, so it's not like you have to make the final decision all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Is it imps or MP? At imps I would def bid 3N, not sure about MP. BTW it is important to remember that the auction 3S-3N from here is possible, so it's not like you have to make the final decision all the time. I'm surprised you would bid 3NT. Isn't the fact that you can still get to 3NT over 3♠ a good reason to bid 3♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Is it imps or MP? At imps I would def bid 3N, not sure about MP. BTW it is important to remember that the auction 3S-3N from here is possible, so it's not like you have to make the final decision all the time. I'm surprised you would bid 3NT. Isn't the fact that you can still get to 3NT over 3♠ a good reason to bid 3♠? yes, and I am not ashamed of this hand and it's black-suit fillers enough to screw up partner's possible slam sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Is it imps or MP? At imps I would def bid 3N, not sure about MP. BTW it is important to remember that the auction 3S-3N from here is possible, so it's not like you have to make the final decision all the time. I'm surprised you would bid 3NT. Isn't the fact that you can still get to 3NT over 3♠ a good reason to bid 3♠? Yes I meant it as a point that people bid 3N too often on this hand type and should bid 3S more. That being said, this hand looks really 3Ny to me at imps, it seems way more likely that we go down in 4S with 3N making than the other way around. Sure I would prefer KJTx of hearts to KJ6x, but can't have everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonottawa Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 I'd do it at any form of scoring. Being minimum is also a necessary prerequisite, as missing a good slam is much less likely. I consider it very close, and very much wish my ♥6 were like the ♥8 instead, but oh well. I'm also a fan of bidding stayman with 5 bad major. If I know partner has the same tendency, I'd be more inclined to show the fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 B) 3♠I'm just a puppet on a string in this auction. Who knows what pard is up to? If he were a passed hand, it would be different. Bidding 3NT sounds like I might have clubs, and do not have spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 For me 3C by an unpassed hand is at least a bit slammish, i dont see why i would bid 3C with a GF minimum 55 in the black just for the unlikely case where 5C or 4S in 5-2 fit is better than 3Nt. So im not really afraid of going down in 4S, so i bid 3S, sure we have wasted values but its not catastrophic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Hi, 3NT. what is the difference between the last two points in the poll? I voted for the last. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 they were suposed to mean something like never, almost never, seldom and often. Partner had today ♠K10xxx♥Q10x♦-♣K8xxx both 4♠ and 3NT were down with ♠J,♦K and ♣J all wrong, at 3NT guessing ♠J doubleton would bring you home maybe. I played 4♠ and LHO led a heart from 4 small making partner to ruff quickly for 1 down. ♦A wasn't so useful at 4♠ josh :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Bidding 3NT sounds like I might have clubs, and do not have spades. 3NT sounds more like I don't have any of them, you have 3♦ and 3♥ to normally show club support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Fluffy, where is the hand partner had on the auction? I see what he laid down as dummy. He still had one more chance to take another unilateral position and pass 3S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 I agree with the way he bid it. If he transfers and bids 2NT, he is bidding the same way he'd do with KTxxx Qxx Kxx xx I boisterously protest to the idea of passing 3♠!! Now partner could have AQx Axxx xxx AQx and we are getting 230! Surely if you didn't think this hand isn't worth a GF, at least now, when partner is known to hold 3 card support, you'd have better feelings about game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 "whenever you feel it right" is the answer to all polls :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 3C is a search for the best game, or more. I have S support so I feel I should tell that. Why should I get involved to making some advanced decision? These H I have are not so awesome that 3N will have a better play than 4S on a H lead and S requiring development. BTW I find Justins response that bidding 3N at imps and S and pairs a big position. I just think this is a bit against the grain as S is the likely spot at the other table. I'd have to take the charge if 4S made and 3NT failed. Not to say that it couldn't go the other way and you brought imps in. I would certainly not rag on partner for forcing to game with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Being in game is fine. Partner bidding like that... not so much. Definitely one of those "okay that's nice partner, now please lay down the hand that you had in the bidding" moments :D While bidding 3NT would have worked better in this instance, that is due to partner's bad bidding... not with our choice to answer partner's question. Also very bad practice imo because if opener LOVES the club rebid he should be free to drive to slam. 6♣ down 1 sucks too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suokko Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Wat is the problem in CoG bids? In my option opener is never allowed to drive past game if responder shows side suit here. It is mean to be cooperative auction and responder having chance to look for 5m as better contract than alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 3C is a search for the best game, or more. I have S support so I feel I should tell that. Why should I get involved to making some advanced decision? These H I have are not so awesome that 3N will have a better play than 4S on a H lead and S requiring development. BTW I find Justins response that bidding 3N at imps and S and pairs a big position. I just think this is a bit against the grain as S is the likely spot at the other table. I'd have to take the charge if 4S made and 3NT failed. Not to say that it couldn't go the other way and you brought imps in. I would certainly not rag on partner for forcing to game with this. not answering feels like a violation of the captaincy principle as applied to 1NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonottawa Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Partner's bidding is normal, anything else is gross. A lot of result merchants in here. Let me play 3NT, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 I agree with the way he bid it. If he transfers and bids 2NT, he is bidding the same way he'd do with KTxxx Qxx Kxx xx I boisterously protest to the idea of passing 3♠!! Now partner could have AQx Axxx xxx AQx and we are getting 230! Surely if you didn't think this hand isn't worth a GF, at least now, when partner is known to hold 3 card support, you'd have better feelings about game?Yes, I was being whatever about passing 3S once you create the game force. Whitey Moore, a very steady club player, with some regional success, with whom I played back in the 60's was an advocate of the sequence being slammish and when a hand like responder's came up he bid according to "Whitey's Rule". He simply transferred to the major and raised as an invite with marginal 5M-5m's.Good, or bad, it would have worked well on this hand --as it did on several occasions when the 5-2 major fit made game in spades with 3NT going down. I never bothered to figure out the math of this, but it worked --and when invited in spades, 3NT was never chosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 I really don't understand these comments that "I wish the hearts were better but I'll bid 3NT anyway." Bidding 3NT here with spade support is something you can afford to wait for the ideal hand to do since 3♠ is a perfectly good option (that as said before, doesn't preclude playing in 3NT.) It's not like certain other auctions where you have to take a less than ideal action because nothing is ideal. ♦A wasn't so useful at 4♠ josh :)One of these days I'll learn that aces don't take tricks. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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