awm Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 IMPs, all vulnerable. You hold: ♠KJxxx♥xxx♦Q♣KQ9x The auction so far: 1♥(1) - P - 1♠ - 3♣(2)X(3) - 3♦ - ??? (1) Five or more hearts; could be light in values (strong diamond with aggressive openings) (2) Weak(3) Takeout-oriented; usually three spades, top of the range (like 14-15 hcp) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 3H. Partner knows I have this much strength, once I bid 3H freely/3D --overwise i would pass, or would have raised hearts the first time rather than 1S. 4H seems misdirected with 3 small hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 4h I am going to assume:3h would be around 8-114h=around 12-13 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohitz Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 My first thought was 4H but on some more thought i figured this looks like a 16 trump hand. Assuming that, if we make 4H, they rate to go down 3. And if we make 9 tricks, let them be 2 down. So, i want to let them play in 3DX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 3h would be around 8-114h=around 12-13 or so. 8, 9, 10 would have raised to 2H the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I dont expect pard to have less than: AQx..AKJxx...xxxx....x.orAQx...AKJxxx...xxxx......void. and could have more.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suokko Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I dont expect pard to have less than: AQx..AKJxx...xxxx....x. What if partner holds Qxx AKJxxx KJxx x? Is double allowed with this? Is 4♠ better contract? Can I somehow ask partner to choose? Maybe 4♣ is option here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I guess you guys have everyone bidding 3c and 3d vul in the middle of our bidding with not much.....and then you give pard a total defensive hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I dont expect pard to have less than: AQx..AKJxx...xxxx....x.orAQx...AKJxxx...xxxx......void. and could have more.... The original poster implied that 1♥ showed a maximum of 15, so he won't have any more than your examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 ♣KQ opposite shortness, ♦Q, awful hearts to get overruffed, and bad spades. The one bid I don't like at all is 4♥. Double risks that partner takes it as penalty, and if he has 3622 we are in trouble.Still dummy will be mostly useless and ♦Q might have a play. If parnter has everything concentrated in our suits I hope he has the brilliant idea of taking this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I'd like to make a forcing pass, but I can't. I bid 4♣, choice of games. Am I starting to sound like a broken record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Just 3 Heart, I would like to bid a choice of strain bid that includes 3 NT and 3 Heart, but I cannot, so I will show my support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I dont expect pard to have less than: AQx..AKJxx...xxxx....x.orAQx...AKJxxx...xxxx......void. and could have more.... The original poster implied that 1♥ showed a maximum of 15, so he won't have any more than your examples. again...i thought my examples were dead min.....not super max..... I note even gnash force to game. nowhere do I see a max of 15 hcp by opener in op.A suggestion...is not a fact ....sigh........come on.... If so say so..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Dbl and lead a trump. Our hand is very defense-oriented and where are their tricks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suokko Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I guess you guys have everyone bidding 3c and 3d vul in the middle of our bidding with not much.....and then you give pard a total defensive hand. Isn't it clear from our holding ♣ hat opps are biding for fun :) ok. I agree that my example was bit too much defensive but I don't thing partner has to hold all the values in majors here so ♠ contract may well be better than ♥. Specially if there is entry problems. Let say partner has nice hand like like QTx AKQJx Kxxx x or ATx AKQJx xxxx x? yes. Again extreme example to favor spade contract :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I like double. It passes the ball to partner I think, who might have some 4 diamonds. The thing is, are all doubles after a take-out double of this sort for penalties? In that case I'll pass and leave it to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Dbl and lead a trump. Our hand is very defense-oriented and where are their tricks? not sure about you, but I am afraid of 7♦, ♣A and a ruff in dummy :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) nowhere do I see a max of 15 hcp by opener in op.A suggestion...is not a fact ....sigh........come on.... If so say so..... Well, it could have been clearer, but "top of the range (like 14-15 hcp)" says to me that "14-15" = "top of the range", and therefore 16 is impossible. Hence we culd add at most a jack to one of your examples (and even then it would look a lot like a 16-count to many of us. Perhaps Adam could give us a definitive answer about the upper limit of 1♥? Edited December 9, 2009 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 As much as I love Mohitz' lawful analysis, I see no way of getting to 3♦x. Double and hope that p has four diamonds is too much of a gamble I think - he would pass with 3631 or maybe even 3622. I bid 4♥. I think hearts is better than spades because we may need to ruff diamonds but not clubs, and because we may have 9 hearts but can't have 9 spades. Aquahombre's argument for 3♥ makes sense. Not sure if I agree that I can't have a competitive 3♥ bid because of my failure to bid 3♥ before. I think that depends on partnership style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonottawa Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I don't understand double with an unshown fit, no aces, and a singleton trump. It requires getting lucky on partner's hand to work. I keep things simple and bid 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Double is bizarre to me. We don't have a clue to partner's diamond length, but looking at the ♦Q, his diamond cards are not primary. Our defense is mostly secondary cards, and usually RHO has at least club tolerance on this auction. Double would confirm short hearts as well. Can you blame pard for passing with Axx AQxxxx Axx x? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I think I would double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Can you blame pard for passing with Axx AQxxxx Axx x?Exactly why I think double is wrong. Your example hand should raise 3H to 4H because resp has shown the hand he has. Opener should picture something like KQXXX KJX X XXXX if responder jumps to 4H. With a bit more than your example, opener might get the auction too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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