TylerE Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 N: ♠AKxxx ♥Axx ♦Axx ♣ xxS: ♠Qx ♥Jxxx ♦QJxx ♣KQx MP South deals and passes, North opens 1♠, south bids 1NT, and it goes float, +150 Edit: Fixed auction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggieb Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 North should bid again, since he would prefer to play 2♠ instead of 1N if partner takes a preference, and he would also accept a game try by partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Assuming South's bid was 1N, South should respond 2♦ (if that isn't drury) or 2N (shouldn't be Jacoby 2N). You can also make the case for N to open 1N, but 1♠ seems right with this hand.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Any blame is resulting. Both have maximum and game makes with some good breaks. What a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 N: ♠AKxxx ♥Axx ♦Axx ♣ xxS: ♠Qx ♥Jxxx ♦QJxx ♣KQx MP South deals and passes, North opens 1♠, south bids 1NT, and it goes float, +150 Edit: Fixed auction system at fault since it doesn't allow you to open 1NT with a 5 card major. This assumes of course that this is within your 1NT range. Not being a big, weak NT fan I am curious how the weak NTers handle this type of hand? Do they just suck it up and pass partner's 1NT call(assumes not forcing) or do they go out on a limb with 2NT. Assuming a forcing 1NT what do they do over partner's 2♠ preference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suokko Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 In weak NT system 1NT is more limited so you can't bid it with hand that would force game facing strong NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 In weak NT system 1NT is more limited so you can't bid it with hand that would force game facing strong NT. I presume then that as a consequence 2/1ers cannot be weak NTers too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I think North is too much good to rule out game and should bid 2♦ and pass a 2♠ preference. The South hand is a bad 11 but I think it's still too good to just give preference and should bid 2NT or 3♦ over 2♦. Responder sometimes needs to overbid a little in these situations otherwise the range of 2♠ is too big to handle sensibly, and there is some protection here as opener could have passed 1NT with a bare minimum opening. You can play 2/1 with a forcing NT response to 1H/S and a 12-14 1NT opening (though it's not that common) so I don't agree with suokko's comment. I'd prefer not to play weak NT in 3rd/4th seat but if I did, the auction would go the same as I suggested above. I just don't agree you need to open a strong NT with North to reach game here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Tricky but North cannot pass 1N. What is to prevent South from having ♥KQxxx and another card where 4♥ is gin? Missing 3N should be a concern. I think its reasonable to play pass - 1M - 1N - 2N to show this hand type. I realize that many systems have problems with pass - 1M - 1N - 2x, since 2x can be a nice hand like the one given or a hand that is running from 1N. Hands like this are harder than they look, and I hope the partnership had some productive discussions about how to avoid hands like this in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I hate to be the one to say it... SAYC is a bad system! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 In weak NT system 1NT is more limited so you can't bid it with hand that would force game facing strong NT. What?!?!? A lot of weak notrump systems (most?) use a forcing 1NT response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 There is no way that North can pass the 1NT response even in SAYC. South's 1NT response is a bit heavy, so he must take some of the blame. I don't know what a 2NT response by a passed hand should show (other than the fact that it usually makes me throw up), but if it is natural then this is the hand for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I think its reasonable to play pass - 1M - 1N - 2N to show this hand type. I've seen this suggested before, but I don't understand how it can be playable. Playing these methods, do you still bid pass-1M;1NT on hands in the 5-7 range? If so, you're likely to go down in 2NT a lot of times. And what does opener do when he has a balanced 17-18? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I also don't think a 2NT rebid on such a weak hand is really playable. If you are not going to open 1NT, don't want to pass the 1NT response, and don't play some sort of artificial 2♣ rebid, then there is really no reasonable choice beyond rebidding a 3 card minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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