bd71 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=sk52hkq864dakqt6c&s=sajhat93d74cakq62]133|200|Scoring: IMPHow would you bid this? Honestly, I don't recall our path to 6H, easily making 7. But seems like this grand should be biddable. Is this best? 1♣ 1♦1♥ 2♠* 4SGF. 1♠ is natural per our agreements3♣ 3♥3♠* 4♦* Cue bids (is it right not to cue the club void in partner's suit?)4N* 5♠* 1430; 2 keycard with QH.5N* 6♥ Asking kings; showing 2 non-trump kings.7♥[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 1♣ - 1♥ (Higher of equal lengths holding 5-5!)4♥ - 4♠5♣ - 5♦4♠ - 6♦7♥ (4♠ - 6♦ are cues) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jh51 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 This is bd71's partner. My recollection is that my response was 1♥ to partner's opener, but I don't recall the rest of the auction either. I think his next bid may have been 3♥ and I may have just jumped to 6♥ as I did not know how to bid it scientifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=sk52hkq864dakqt6c&s=sajhat93d74cakq62]133|200|Scoring: IMPHow would you bid this? Honestly, I don't recall our path to 6H, easily making 7. But seems like this grand should be biddable. Is this best? 1♣ 1♦1♥ 2♠* 4SGF. 1♠ is natural per our agreements3♣ 3♥3♠* 4♦* Cue bids (is it right not to cue the club void in partner's suit?)4N* 5♠* 1430; 2 keycard with QH.5N* 6♥ Asking kings; showing 2 non-trump kings.7♥[/hv] well for the less scientific1♣ 1♥4♥ 6♦7♥ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 My recollection is that my response was 1♥ to partner's opener, but I don't recall the rest of the auction either. Jeff, so be both don't remember the auction...but I believe I (South) ended up as declarer in hearts. My conclusion is that you must have bid 1D initially...which I think is very reasonable as it's your stronger suit and you can easily reverse into hearts with your strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Hate a responder reverse with 5-5. A reverse *promises* longer length in the first suit...so 5-4, 6-4, 6-5, 7-5, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 uhh ya...you really need to start with 1h here with equal length. Agree with tuna bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 ♣1♣ - 1♥ (Higher of equal lengths holding 5-5!)4♥ - 4♠5♣ - 5♦4♠ - 6♦7♥ (4♠ - 6♦ are cues)Agree, it should start:1♣ - 1♥ ...but then Opener could use the "Convention With No Name "4♣ jump = ostensibly showing a 6c/4h hand with most values concentrated in the 2 suits, and enough values ( ~19hcp ) to force game, even if partner had a minimum 1M Response.The bid has the same effect as the 4♥ jump, but besides the shape-showing/point concentration, here there is "room" for cuebids at the 4-level if Responder is interested: 4♣ - 4♦ ( cue ) 4♠ ( could be A, K, void or singleton; but it must be the Ace or else Openerwould not have enough values -- based on Responder's hand-- for the 4♣ jump ). Responder could just jump to 7♥ at this point.But just to make sure, he goes 4NT ( RKC for ♥ ). And , as expected, the reply is:5♣ ( 3 keys ) - 7♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 1♣ - 1♥ (Higher of equal lengths holding 5-5!)4♥ - 4♠5♣ - 5♦4♠ - 6♦7♥ (4♠ - 6♦ are cues) Why would north cue bid when all he cares about is 2 aces? I don't know that cue bidding Ks above game is terribly standard either. 1♣ 1♥4♥ 4NT5♦ 7♥ 4NT = keycard5♦ = 0/3, but if you play 3014 then bid would be 5♣ Seems like a much more normal and realistic auction. Assume partner has an A in clubs and bid accordingly. If they show 2 stop at 6. If they show 1, stop at 5. Since they have shown 3, 7♥ is a trivial bid. As others have said, the main mistake is bidding diamonds first. bid higher of equal length first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=sk52hkq864dakqt6c&s=sajhat93d74cakq62]133|200|Scoring: IMPHow would you bid this? Honestly, I don't recall our path to 6H, easily making 7. But seems like this grand should be biddable. Is this best? 1♣ 1♦1♥ 2♠* 4SGF. 1♠ is natural per our agreements3♣ 3♥3♠* 4♦* Cue bids (is it right not to cue the club void in partner's suit?)4N* 5♠* 1430; 2 keycard with QH.5N* 6♥ Asking kings; showing 2 non-trump kings.7♥[/hv] Assuming your hand is a bit different, say Kx KQxxx AKQTxx -, then the auction is not unreasonable. North should probably jump to 7♥ as soon as partner bids 5NT though as 5NT should guarantee all the keycards. Opposite 3 aces, north can count 13 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Keycard with the north hand is terrible. Do you want to miss 7 opposite AQJAxxxJKQJxx Saying that you're going to assume one of them is the A!C == lOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Keycard with the north hand is terrible. Do you want to miss 7 opposite AQJAxxxJKQJxx Saying that you're going to assume one of them is the A!C == lOL Yes, because no disasters could ever happen after you cue bid a king above game instead of an ace. Like say.. partner believes you, leaps to 7♥ after the 5♦ cue, and the opps cash the A of spades. Obviously, the best sequence if playing exclusion above game instead of cue bids (my preference but I've seen experts do it as well): 1♣ 1♥4♥ 5♣*5♠ 7♥ * = tell me about keycards outside of clubs Asking for keycards despite a void is still going to work most of the time with north's hand. You get to 7 when S has 3 aces. You avoid a bad grand when one of south's 2 aces is the A in the suit he opened. And when it doesn't work, you'll end up in a making small slam making 7 (not an end of the world result for B/I) instead of in a grand off a cashing ace. "omg don't ever bid keycard with a void!!" is a good rule, but like most rules.. it doesn't mean you always blindly follow it. If you are going to cue bid, at least don't lie: 1♣ 1♥4♥ 5♦5♠ ? Several routes to go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 My recollection is that my response was 1♥ to partner's opener, but I don't recall the rest of the auction either. Jeff, so be both don't remember the auction...but I believe I (South) ended up as declarer in hearts. My conclusion is that you must have bid 1D initially...which I think is very reasonable as it's your stronger suit and you can easily reverse into hearts with your strength. 1H, not 1D. It is all very well, that you are strong enough to make the reverse,but if you start with diamonds, partner will bever give you 5-5.Just rememer, that shape is more important than HCP. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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