jillybean Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Playing 2/1 1M:2M 7(8)-10 3/4 card support NV vs. V 1st position,partner opens 1♥ you hold; Qxx,Jxxx,xx,Qxxx 1N, 2♥ or pass & why (edited :o ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Pass is never an option If you decide this isn't enough for a constructive heart raise then 1NT (forcing) is the bid, to show a bad raise to 2H. I think this is a bad raise, regardless of 4 card support, so I bid 1NT. However, I do think it's close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 If you have a hand with support that is worth acting on but that is not good enough for how you play a single raise (such as this one) then you respond 1NT and follow with a preference back to hearts. The only other common option would be to make a preemptive raise, but for one thing you may not be playing them, and for another this hand is really gross for that option. Passing is not an option. Anything is better than that, even most potential psychs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 edited out by poster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Playing 2/1 1M:2M 7(8)-10 3/4 card support NV vs. V 1st position,partner opens 1♥ you hold; Qxx,Jxxx,xx,Qxxx 1N, 2♥ or pass & why (edited :o ) if 1NT is forcing or semi-forcing plan your ♥ raise thru that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 ditto thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 edited out by poster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Definitely bid as we have a safehaven of at least a 5-4 fit. Bidding can make it very hard for LHO to enter in the auction (for example, if he doesn't have spades for a takeout double, or if he doesn't have a good suit to enter with a 2x overcall or if he has a strong NT). Under the systemic agreements, I would bid 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 1N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Given the parameters, 1N seems obvious. P isn't even in the picture... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 2♥. I support with support, and I don't care much for "constructive raises". I think they're theoretically unsound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Ok, how weak is the hand, with 4 card support, where you will pass rather than bid 2♥ via 1N ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Abstain: I insist on playing some sort of system where I can bid 3♥ on this hand immediatly. Given the specified system I put a ♦ in with my ♥ and bid 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Ok, how weak is the hand, with 4 card support, where you will pass rather than bid 2♥ via 1N ?Qxx Jxxx xx Qxxx (the given hand) I bid 1Nxxx Jxxx xx Qxxx I still bid 1N all the time but it's starting to get closexxx Jxxx xx Jxxx I pass but don't feel entirely happy about it There are tactical considerations, but even apart from that, 3 HCP with a ruffing value and a nine card fit is not that different in playing strength from 6 HCP and no fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Abstain: I insist on playing some sort of system where I can bid 3♥ on this hand immediatly. Given the specified system I put a ♦ in with my ♥ and bid 4. lol and lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 2♥. I support with support, and I don't care much for "constructive raises". I think they're theoretically unsound. But you are playing them on this hand. If I'm playing a 2♦ opening as natural then I don't open 2♦ on a weak hand with spades because I think anything but multi is theoretically unsound. Nor do I see why you are making a constructive raise on a hand that isn't a constructive raise just because you don't like constructive raises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Well, I only bid 1M-1NT with support if the hand is a flattish 4333 with 4-6 hcp or so. All other hands with support classify as a "constructive raise" to me :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Playing 2/1 1M:2M 7(8)-10 3/4 card support NV vs. V 1st position,partner opens 1♥ you hold; Qxx,Jxxx,xx,Qxxx 1N, 2♥ or pass & why (edited :rolleyes: ) This quacky junk is not a constructive raise for me, by any means. I really prefer to be able to bid 3♥ as preemptive here and have found it quite useful over the years. Lacking that just bid a forcing NT and then back to ♥. Pass is not an option !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 2♥. I support with support, and I don't care much for "constructive raises". I think they're theoretically unsound. But you are playing them on this hand. If I'm playing a 2♦ opening as natural then I don't open 2♦ on a weak hand with spades because I think anything but multi is theoretically unsound. Nor do I see why you are making a constructive raise on a hand that isn't a constructive raise just because you don't like constructive raises. hopefully he recognizes good constructive advice :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Well, I only bid 1M-1NT with support if the hand is a flattish 4333 with 4-6 hcp or so. All other hands with support classify as a "constructive raise" to me B) Then your definition of a constructive raise is not the same as it is generally known (7-10 or so). I do see the smiley, what does it mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 to me, it's 7-10... support points, not hcps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 to me, it's 7-10... support points, not hcps. well to me it is 2 "key" cards and a doubleton not hcp :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 to me, it's 7-10... support points, not hcps. OK I can understand that, but inspite of the 4th trump, this quacky spotless hand doesn't look like 7 support points to me. When I make a constructive raise, I go by what I read as the original defination that says that I will accept at least 1 game try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulLanier Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 3H (Bergen, preemptive jump raise). Shows 4+ trump with 0-6 HCP.Regards, Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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