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This is a bit tricky opposite a takeout double, because to make something at the five-level I need partner to have specifically an ace and two kings. On the other hand, passing with a singleton feels quite wrong, and we're unlikely to go more than one down.

 

I bid 4NT, planning to correct clubs to diamonds, which will show 6-4. Maybe they'll save, or maybe we're saving.

 

Opposite any other kind of double I'd pass.

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Why didn't your partner take out to NT instead of double? Maybe because he didn't intend double as takeout.

You may find this surprising, but I would expect to know how my partner intended his double.

yes, my exact point. And he expects me to know. too. As a passed hand, I would expect he held at least KTXX XX XXX KXXX for a double. If he had X XX AXXXX KQXXX or somesuch, I would expect 4NT

 

I guess what amazes me is that a passed hand would need two kinds of takeout here.

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4NT. Passing does seem wrong and they may well make say if partner has something like 2344. There are other hands too that might let us make 5x with not just an ace and two kings. Maybe A K QJ for a hook or AK QJ/Q10 or maybe A KJ Q and LHO doesn't find a club lead. Or even better (?), since we're r/w one of the opps may take another push.
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I guess what amazes me is that a passed hand would need two kinds of takeout here.

Because there are many many hands where you do not want to play at the 5level unilaterally when say partner has spade values. If we're doing the "take out-ing" that means partner has the spade length, right? Give partner say 3532 or 2542 and if your only takeout bid is 4NT which you may do with 2344 or (12)55 or 2254 or 12(46) forcing us to the 5level, that is just too sick.

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Clee bid 4N against me and I said I would have done the same thing. Partner had Qxx Axx Kxx Kxxx, so you get to 5H and they get a diamond ruff -1.

 

At the other table my teammates also passed the 12 count (no doubt the only 2 people in the room who would do this...) but my hand only bid 3S so there was no similar decision.

 

Just checking to make sure I told him the right thing!

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I would bid 4NT as well clee.

 

If partner doubles with 1-3 in the reds he deserves to be flogged.

Ok. I could properbly invent a hand with 1-3 in the reds where partner doubles, but that would be quite Barry Crane'ish.

 

Still, it would be easy to imagine a hand with 2-3 where he doubles. And even with 2-4 or 3-4, hearts will often be superior.

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