Jlall Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 x KQJxxx QT98 Ax, 3rd seat r/w imps. p p 1H 4S X p ? edit: put w/w instead of r/w by mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 negative doubles through 7H? Pass will probably get the usual criticism here, but opposite MY partner, I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 This is a bit tricky opposite a takeout double, because to make something at the five-level I need partner to have specifically an ace and two kings. On the other hand, passing with a singleton feels quite wrong, and we're unlikely to go more than one down. I bid 4NT, planning to correct clubs to diamonds, which will show 6-4. Maybe they'll save, or maybe we're saving. Opposite any other kind of double I'd pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I wouldn't pass, although I have no confidence that bidding on is the right decision. I quite like gnasher's 4NT with correction to 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Why didn't your partner take out to NT instead of double? Maybe because he didn't intend double as takeout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I play this double as takeout, so I would not pass. I also like gnasher's 4NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 when I saw the problem I said 4NT wtp?, then I realised partner is a passed hand. I still think our ODR is so huge that we cannot pass this, 4NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 4NT here also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Why didn't your partner take out to NT instead of double? Maybe because he didn't intend double as takeout. You may find this surprising, but I would expect to know how my partner intended his double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Why didn't your partner take out to NT instead of double? Maybe because he didn't intend double as takeout. You may find this surprising, but I would expect to know how my partner intended his double.yes, my exact point. And he expects me to know. too. As a passed hand, I would expect he held at least KTXX XX XXX KXXX for a double. If he had X XX AXXXX KQXXX or somesuch, I would expect 4NT I guess what amazes me is that a passed hand would need two kinds of takeout here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggieb Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I would just pass, I think it is reasonably unlikely we can make a 5-level contract, and partner can easily have a secondary spade trick or something. -590 seems acceptably unlikely to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 x KQJxxx QT98 Ax, 3rd seat r/w imps. p p 1H 4S X p ? edit: put w/w instead of r/w by mistake. 1♥?? :o Doesn't 2♥ actually describe this hand better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 4NT. Passing does seem wrong and they may well make say if partner has something like 2344. There are other hands too that might let us make 5x with not just an ace and two kings. Maybe ♥A ♦K ♣QJ for a hook or ♦AK ♣QJ/Q10 or maybe ♠A ♦KJ ♣Q and LHO doesn't find a club lead. Or even better (?), since we're r/w one of the opps may take another push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I guess what amazes me is that a passed hand would need two kinds of takeout here. Because there are many many hands where you do not want to play at the 5level unilaterally when say partner has spade values. If we're doing the "take out-ing" that means partner has the spade length, right? Give partner say 3532 or 2542 and if your only takeout bid is 4NT which you may do with 2344 or (12)55 or 2254 or 12(46) forcing us to the 5level, that is just too sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Agree with the 4NT bidders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Clee bid 4N against me and I said I would have done the same thing. Partner had Qxx Axx Kxx Kxxx, so you get to 5H and they get a diamond ruff -1. At the other table my teammates also passed the 12 count (no doubt the only 2 people in the room who would do this...) but my hand only bid 3S so there was no similar decision. Just checking to make sure I told him the right thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 interesting that two people under 80 passed initially. I guess passing 4S doubled would have gotten lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Does partner's double suggest a penalty bonanza(800+) is possible? Or just Max-pass? I expect max-pass to accept a fix if that is where it is. So, is there a penalty bonanza likely? HA +CAK +C-ruff +SK10 + 2xD =800. Try that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Agree with 4NT. Not sure what I would have done with 5431 (probably pass) but with 6-4, 4NT is perfect. Partner's pass is not mainstream these days but if that is the partnership's style then it's fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 4NT, but if partner doesn't bid 5♦ under his own steam, I convert to 5♥. (Wouldn't want to be in 5♦ when partner is 1-3 in the reds.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I would bid 4NT as well clee. If partner doubles with 1-3 in the reds he deserves to be flogged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I would bid 4NT as well clee. If partner doubles with 1-3 in the reds he deserves to be flogged. Ok. I could properbly invent a hand with 1-3 in the reds where partner doubles, but that would be quite Barry Crane'ish. Still, it would be easy to imagine a hand with 2-3 where he doubles. And even with 2-4 or 3-4, hearts will often be superior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 If he's 2-3 he will go back to hearts....that is why you bid 4N first and not just 5D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 If he's 2-3 he will go back to hearts....that is why you bid 4N first and not just 5D? Got me. (But I still correct to 5♥.) Thanks for the non-LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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