kfay Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sajhaqxxxdxxcq10xx]133|100|Scoring: IMP(1♣)-1♥-(P)-2♣(Dbl)-?[/hv] You're playing with an unfamiliar partner so 2♣ is undiscussed but they are good. Double of 2♣ is 'don't lead clubs!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 2cXX scores more than game imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 If they are "good", then 2C is a cue raise. That is pretty much standard these days, isn't it? I am certainly not xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 XX. Can hardly go wrong. (Bidding-wise.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I think lead stopping doubles are a horrible agreement to have after we open 1 minor. We could have a 4-4 club even LOL. Easy xx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 XX. Can hardly go wrong. (Bidding-wise.) Can't it? Even if it can't, the call is totally fatuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Double of 2♣ is 'don't lead clubs!' :P LOL :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I am not as confident as some but I would XX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 2nt, I'm not sure redouble would be taken as I want it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Just pass, you can't get them every time. My clubs are not quite good enough to xx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 As your partner, without an explicit agreement about the redouble, I'd never take the risk of passing it. That sort of misunderstanding can be horribly expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 As your partner, without an explicit agreement about the redouble, I'd never take the risk of passing it. That sort of misunderstanding can be horrible expensive. Maybe it is unlikely that partner will pass, but "exstra values, no good bid" seems like a good description anyway. If partner takes it as SOS, he is probably going to FCK up anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I would also pass. The auction is forcing to 2♥, so pass is forcing. This means extra's but no useful call available. The alternative is XX, this could also work out fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I am not as confident as some but I would XX. my initial gut reaction was XX has to be right but on further reflection it looks like we may be pushing them into finding a fit especially if we end up with a double fit ourselves and pointy suits have a competitive advantage over roundy suits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 The distain for the "Don't lead" double is justified if it is abused with short (4 or fewer) minor having been opened. Double showing extra club length but suggesting a different lead is quite workable -- not suggesting a different suit to compete in. Back to the problem: pass should be the weakest hand you can have. 2H should be neutral. You have a decent overcall, but not quite enough to bid game. Perhaps Redouble should show approximately this hand. Seems like it would be a bigger problem without the double giving you extra choices. Without the double I would have chosen a neutral 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Rewind that sheeit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 gonna pass. Perhaps pard can clear out his intentions at a low level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 snipped Maybe it is unlikely that partner will pass, but "exstra values, no good bid" seems like a good description anyway. If partner takes it as SOS, he is probably going to FCK up anyway. Extra values? Did someone edit the original hand? Have YOU discussed what the xx means with YOUR partner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 snipped Maybe it is unlikely that partner will pass, but "exstra values, no good bid" seems like a good description anyway. If partner takes it as SOS, he is probably going to FCK up anyway. Extra values? Yes, I have an ace more than I need. Did someone edit the original hand? Have YOU discussed what the xx means with YOUR partner?Yes, with my regular partner it would show two or more small cards in the suit. Pass would suggest playing 2♣. But the OP stated, that I was playing with an unfamiliar partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 As your partner, without an explicit agreement about the redouble, I'd never take the risk of passing it. That sort of misunderstanding can be horribly expensive. what would you think partner would misunderstand it as? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 In this case, it is actually a huge advantage to play with an unfamiliar partner. With an unfamiliar partner you play "All bids are natural, unless we discuss otherwise or it really doesn't make any sense". There hasn't been much time for discussion, so we can remember what was discussed and I am sure that this situation wasn't one of them. :) Therefore the XX is natural and a suggestion to play 2♣XX. In a regular partnership, with a lot of agreements (explicit or from experience), partner will start wondering what you might mean with the redouble. If you have discussed this situation, he (or you) will have forgotten and if you haven't, he will start looking for an equivalent type auction. He might find something and add that meaning to your redouble. And you will never be sure what it is. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 what would you think partner would misunderstand it as? The most likely alternative meaning is extra values without a clearcut bid, but I'm sure that there are other meanings that would be regarded as standard by some people. That doesn't make the redouble particularly dangerous, of course - if partner takes it out you can just get on with bidding your hand. Redouble does have one risk, though: partner might think it shows rather more in clubs than what we have. I wouldn't want him to play me for ♣AQ109x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburn Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 In this sort of position I tend to play: Pass = either no desire to play in 2♣ redoubled but no descriptive bid available, or a strong desire to play in 2♣ redoubled; Redouble = a suggestion that we play in 2♣ redoubled; Bid = no desire to attempt 2♣ redoubled, showing some additional feature of my hand. So, I could redouble with this hand but would pass with ♣AQ109x. Partner, of course, redoubles if he wants to play there facing that, or bids naturally otherwise. With an unfamiliar partner I can't do any of this, nor will I know whether or not I should pass if he redoubles, since I won't know what he intends by that. Since I don't seem to have anything clear to bid, I will pass for the moment and bid 2NT if he does redouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 In this sort of position I tend to play: Pass = either no desire to play in 2♣ redoubled but no descriptive bid available, or a strong desire to play in 2♣ redoubled; Redouble = a suggestion that we play in 2♣ redoubled; Bid = no desire to attempt 2♣ redoubled, showing some additional feature of my hand. So, I could redouble with this hand but would pass with ♣AQ109x. Partner, of course, redoubles if he wants to play there facing that, or bids naturally otherwise. With an unfamiliar partner I can't do any of this, nor will I know whether or not I should pass if he redoubles, since I won't know what he intends by that. Since I don't seem to have anything clear to bid, I will pass for the moment and bid 2NT if he does redouble. I play that when they double our Stayman. Sensible to apply it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 X = don't lead C => XX = DO lead clubs! Similar to Rosenkrantz. Yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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