Wiste1 Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Hi can anyone tell me the frequency(%) of : 8-10 hcp with 5+card any suit, not 5332 but all unbalanced hands 5+-4,5-5, 6+ etc. Wiste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 13.7% Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiste1 Posted July 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Thx pbleighton :blink: Wiste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 My question is, how do find that out?Is there a program for that ? Mike ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 My question is, how do find that out?Is there a program for that ? Mike ;) Pretty easy to simulate with a program like Dealer or Borel. With this said and done, HCP and shape are independant of one another, so its pretty east to multiple the percentage chance that opener has shape ABC by the chance that opener has HCP XZY... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 "With this said and done, HCP and shape are independant of one another, so its pretty east to multiple the percentage chance that opener has shape ABC by the chance that opener has HCP XZY... " http://www.bridgeguys.com/MGlossary/MathTables.html or Mathematical Tables in the Encycolopedia Of Bridge. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Thx, Peter. Mike ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahonga Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 With this said and done, HCP and shape are independant of one another, so its pretty east to multiple the percentage chance that opener has shape ABC by the chance that opener has HCP XZY... They are not independent of each other. A 13-0-0-0 will always have 10 hcp. The flatter the hand the higher the chance for more hcp i think. /Mattias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Good point ;) they are considered indedpendant because elsewhere it would become imposible to calculate. I once tried to find the % of finding a ♠K on a 4♥ contract where you know west has 2♠+ 19/20 HCP against west who is known to hold 4-5 HCP +5♠, the result was so disapointing: it depends on wich exactly 24 HCP you are missing, I mean, depends on wihch honnors you miss exactly and in wich suits... imposible to calculate in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 With this said and done, HCP and shape are independant of one another, so its pretty east to multiple the percentage chance that opener has shape ABC by the chance that opener has HCP XZY... They are not independent of each other. A 13-0-0-0 will always have 10 hcp. The flatter the hand the higher the chance for more hcp i think. /Mattias URK. I standard corrected. Mattias is completely correct. If we start looking at extreme shapes, the two dimensions are no longer independant. With this said and done, I don't think that this would matter much for MOST calculations. In general, I prefer to use Monte Carlo simulation anyway.MUCH easier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Where can I find the Monte Carlo simulation, Richard ? Mike ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Where can I find the Monte Carlo simulation, Richard ? Mike ;) Monte Carlo simulation is a technique in which you using a constrained random simulation to model a complex problem. As I noted earlier, Dealer is a great freeware program that can be used for this type of analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 You happen to have a link to this ? Mike ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 You happen to have a link to this ? Mike ;) http://www.dombo.org/henk/dealer.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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