Fluffy Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 ♠AQ106♥Q96♦A62♣1084 1♦-(2♣)-X-(pass)3♥-(pass)-??? 2♠ the round before would had been No forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 If 4♣ is CoG I bid that. Otherwise 4♦. I suppose 3♠ is out as that would show 5+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 While Ed Manfield (I think) wrote some very good material on CoG cuebids, many years ago in the BW, and while I think that in theory this is an excellent spot and use for one, I don't play with anyone who would take it that way. I think everyone I play with would take it as a slam try...neutral as to a control in clubs, but the only way to force to game below game, and unambiguously agreeing on hearts, for now at least. I would bid 4♦. It has to be forcing: if one lacked the hand to force, one would (should) either have passed 3♥, or bid 3♠ now, or bid 2♦ last time (one does not negative double with 4=2=4=3 8 counts in my book...bid 2♦ and hope for more bidding if we have a spade fit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Since 2♥ would be non forcing I thoink 4♣ would be a strong heart raise rather than COG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 ♠AQ106♥Q96♦A62♣1084 1♦-(2♣)-X-(pass)3♥-(pass)-??? 2♠ the round before would had been No forcing. 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 4♦ by process of elimination has to show something like this, given my default agreement that 4♣ is a heart raise. If partner is like 3442 with 18, we will just have to play 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 9 could neg X at 2-level. I have 3= one trick more. I try 4D to announce double fit and no Q-bid 4C as 0-1C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 4♦ by process of elimination has to show something like this, given my default agreement that 4♣ is a heart raise. How would you bid with A10xx Jxx Kxxx xx? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 4♦ by process of elimination has to show something like this, given my default agreement that 4♣ is a heart raise. How would you bid with A10xx Jxx Kxxx xx? Are you trying to catch me into thinking 4♣ has to be a choice of games? If I thought I was worth game I'd bid 4♦, if I didn't I would pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Even if 2S would have been forcing, I doubt I would have bid 2S.2S should show a 5 carder. Similar, if I now bid 3S, this showes a 5 carder, ..., of course 2Sforcing would imply, that 3S now would be at best values. As it is, I am still bidding 3S, hopefully in time. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Are you trying to catch me into thinking 4♣ has to be a choice of games? If I thought I was worth game I'd bid 4♦, if I didn't I would pass. Maybe if you're strong enough to double without both majors you're strong enough to play in game once partner shows a good hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Are you trying to catch me into thinking 4♣ has to be a choice of games? If I thought I was worth game I'd bid 4♦, if I didn't I would pass. Maybe if you're strong enough to double without both majors you're strong enough to play in game once partner shows a good hand. Ok, maybe true. I guess I just don't see where you were going with your original question then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Ok, maybe true. I guess I just don't see where you were going with your original question then... I didn't know where I was going with my original question. It was just a question :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I would bid 3 Spade. If partner raises me with 3451 or a similar hand spades may be better then hearts or diamonds. If he bids 3 NT I am fine too. If he bids 4 Clubs, I try 4 Diamond.Over 4 Diamond I try 5. For his bidding partner should be unbalanced because he cannot have a balanced hand and jump to 3 HEart (He did not open 1 NT..). So we need to find out where his shortness is. 3 Spade does this job better then 4 Diamond or any other choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Certainly the 4-3 spade game would had been better than the 4-3 heart game I played. The problem is that partner might raise you on doubleton. I had ♠Jx♥AK10x♦KJ109xx♣x 4♥ made on some kind of dummy reversal losing just 1 spade 1 heart and 1 club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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