kenrexford Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 [hv=n=skhkdkjxcaq9xxxxx&s=sajxxxhaxxdqxxcxx]133|200|[/hv] South ends up in 3NT. Spade lead. This just seemed like a fun technique hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Win the lead in dummy and DUCK a club? If clubs are 3-0 offside, you're probably not making this, if its 3-0 onside you must duck to retain communication. If you overtake the spade and win in hand, the defence might switch to a diamond and take 1 club, 1 diamond and 3 spades. Cashing the ace first would probably work too, but things can get messy with 3-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Ducking gives up potential tricks for no reason that I can see. If clubs split 3-0 onside you still have an entry in hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Ducking gives up potential tricks for no reason that I can see. If clubs split 3-0 onside you still have an entry in hearts. Just to clarify, are you just going to give up 2 club tricks? If not, you need to get back into hand somehow. Overtaking the hearts opens the suit up completely, while if LHO has the ♦Axx, he can prevent the diamond entry and attack hearts when he gets in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Oh we are in dummy. Then duck a club yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 <!-- NORTHSOUTH begin --><table border=1> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td>Dealer:</td> <td> ????? </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vul:</td> <td> ???? </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring:</td> <td> Unknown </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table border='1'> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> K </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> K </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> KJx </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> AQ9xxxxx </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> AJxxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> Axx </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> Qxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> xx </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> </table> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table><!-- NORTHSOUTH end --> South ends up in 3NT. Spade lead. This just seemed like a fun technique hand.looks like more technique is needed at MP. At IMPS I would play any ♣ but the A or Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 looks like more technique is needed at MP. At IMPS I would play any ♣ but the A ok, im your LHO with KJT, play the queen :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 looks like more technique is needed at MP. At IMPS I would play any ♣ but the A ok, im your LHO with KJT, play the queen :lol: OK not the Q :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 I think the DUCK first Cl is best... rather than Ace first : 87.5% to 75%. If you play the Ace first, you may go down if 3-0 split ( 25% of the time ) since you will need 2 entries to dummy. You have them, but in the meantime a Ht switch after opps take the 2nd Cl lead removes the Ht K in dummy.You lead the 3rd Rnd of Cl and another Ht lead sets up opps' Hts.You lead to your Diam honors, but they grab the Ace and take at least 2 more Hts. K J T ---K J TK T JK J T Play Ace first25% 12 tricks no entries needed to dummy50% 10-11 1 entry needed25% down on ♥ switch Duck first Cl75% cold 11 1 entry12.5% cold 10 or 11 no entry needed if West ( LHO ) has K J T ( A Q over the K J )12.5% down on ♥ switch ( edit ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 If the KJ10 is behind dummy, you will lose a club, heart switch, lose second club, clear hearts, and then the opponents end up in with diamonds to possibly cash out hearts. In other words, this situation is a disaster and can be ignored as probably hopeless. If you win the spade and duck a club immediately, with LHO having KJ10 in clubs, they table you with a heart. That's bad. So, get rid of the heart. Win spade King. Cash heart King. Duck a club. Now, the cannot hurt you. If clubs split 2-1, win whatever they do and then run clubs. If LHO started with KJ10, you will eventually lead a club toward the AQ and hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 If you win the spade and duck a club immediately, with LHO having KJ10 in clubs, they table you with a heart. That's bad. You might be on table. Personally, I'll be in hand, having overtaken the heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 If you win the spade and duck a club immediately, with LHO having KJ10 in clubs, they table you with a heart. That's bad. You might be on table. Personally, I'll be in hand, having overtaken the heart.Exactly.... winning 10 tricks.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ps. I did make an error in my previous post... on the duck-a-club. You lose 12.5% of the time when RHO has the K J T because of the ♥ switch. But, that said, it is still better to duck rather than Ace first: 87.5% vs 75%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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