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Playing 2/1 GF, no opp interference, is 1S 2C 3D a club splinter or an extra strength spade/diam 2-suiter?  

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  1. 1. Playing 2/1 GF, no opp interference, is 1S 2C 3D a club splinter or an extra strength spade/diam 2-suiter?

    • Club splinter
      14
    • Extra strength spade/diam 2-suiter
      8
    • Other
      4


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Simple logic, have you ever talked about such bidding in your life? no: then it i natural, 5-5 strrong.

Other simple logic: do you have to jump with maximum? no since it's GF already. So this jump is unusual => splinter... :(

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I think the arguement over if this is a picture bid with 5/5 in the reds and fair or better values, versus a splinter simply has to be a partnership agreement. Here is a hand from yesterday, where the expert commentators (well other than me) laughed at the possibility of a 3 splinter bid.... It seems to me that 2 rebid is horrible. A 2 rebid would need special agreement on possible stregth. That leaves 3 and 3 (if available for splinter). If you play 3 as splinter, would you use it here?

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&n=sqj8ha2d64ckqt532&s=sak65hj9753dqca87]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

Auction at talbe I kibitized.

West North East South

 -     -     Pass  1

 Pass  2    Pass  2

 Pass  2NT   Pass  3NT

 Pass  Pass  Pass  

 

1/3 of the field played a very unsatisfactory, 3NT. Another group played in 4 asfter south choose to rebid 2 and was raised by north.

 

Another 1/3 played in a wonderful matchpont contract of 4, easlily making five. And some played in 5 (6 makes on non- lead).

 

With a splinter 3, the trap 3NT will be missed, and there is no chance to stumble into a hopeless 4. Getting into 4 is not impossible. A 3 bid here by responder and a 4 raise should do it.

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Here is a hand from yesterday, where the expert commentators (well other than me) laughed at the possibility of a 3 splinter bid.... It seems to me that 2 rebid is horrible. A 2 rebid would need special agreement on possible stregth. That leaves 3 and 3 (if available for splinter). If you play 3 as splinter, would you use it here?

 

Dealer: East Vul: EW Scoring: IMP QJ8 A2 64 KQT532 AK65 J9753 Q A87  

 

Auction at talbe I kibitized.

West  North East  South

-    -    Pass  1

Pass  2    Pass  2

Pass  2NT  Pass  3NT

Pass  Pass  Pass 

 

Well, first I hope that they had a balanced GF notrump response available, so that 2 promises 5 clubs -- otherwise it's really ugly.

 

Unless I can bid 2 with this strength, I just bid a simple 3. 3 has three downsides: the singleton is a queen, I prefer to have 4 trumps for a splinter, and I doubt I should encourage slam investigation with this ugly 14 points. This also seems to lead to 4 -- partner will try 3 which I should raise.

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on the hand ben posted, i've read where a 2S bid there is a reverse, and i've read where it isn't... i prefer to think it isn't, over a 2/1 game force... it's very possible that north bypassed 4 spades in order to bid a longer club suit with a game force hand.. i think south should rebid 2S, and unless my partner prohibits this bid it's the one i'll make at the table
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On the given hand you don´t have to play that awful 3NT at all after 2 rebid when playing 2/1:

 

1-2

2-3

3-........

 

now all bids lead to 5/6, included 4 wich for sure won´t be a good contract from opener´s perspective and therefore will till lead to 5/6.

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