rebid question

[babalu1997]

A fellow poster wanted to stop irritating partner, that must be something experts do, because i do not know how to do that after several years of play.

 

But, further, i would like to stop being irritated by the following rebids, and figured if i knew what to expect i would be less irritated, so i ask.

 

1. assuming a 15-17 nt range played

2. assuming sa or 2 over 1

 

 

1 heart opening bid- pass- 1spade response- pass- 2NT

 

What is the range for a 2nt opener`s rebid after a major opening bid?

 

 

 

1 minor opening bid- pass- 1nt response- pass- 3nt

 

What is the range, or hand feature, for a 3nt opener`s rebid after responder has issued a limited response and now must play with the presumably better dummy exposed?

 

thanks folks

[helene_t]

1♥-1♠

2NT

is 18-19 balanced.

 

1♥-1♠

3NT

is a strong 1633, maybe it promises a solid suit.

 

1M-1NT

3NT

Can be played as with plain "to play", i.e. typically 18-19 balanced, so that 2NT become invitational (after a 1♥ opening, you might want to bid 2NT with a 4522 17-count). This is what GIB plays.

Alternatively it can be played as showing a 6-card in the major, typically 6322. Maybe it promises a solid suit (a GF hand with a non-solid suit would have to rebid either 4M or 3m, then).

Dunno what is standard.

[TylerE]

1m-1N-3N is similar to 1m-1M-3N... probably 15-17 or so... a very good minor and a side trick or two. Sort of gambling that you can run 9 tricks opposite any random 6 count.

[kenrexford]

There is a difference for many between 1♣-P-1NT-P-3NT and 1♦-P-1NT-P-3NT, because a lot of people have 1♣-P-1NT show constructive values (maybe 9-11?), whereas 1♦-P-1NT is perhaps 5-10 or so.

 

After 1♣-P-1NT, Opener needs about 16+ to bid 3NT. After 1♦-P-1NT, Opener needs about 20+ to bid 3NT, with which he would have opened 2NT. These facts change things, or should.

[pooltuna]

But, further, i would like to stop being irritated by the following rebids, and figured if i knew what to expect i would be less irritated, so i ask.

 

1. assuming a 15-17 nt range played

2. assuming sa or 2 over 1

 

 

1 heart opening bid- pass- 1spade response- pass- 2NT

 

What is the range for a 2nt opener`s rebid after a major opening bid?

 

 

 

1 minor opening bid- pass- 1nt response- pass- 3nt

 

What is the range, or hand feature, for a 3nt opener`s rebid after  responder has issued a limited response and now must play with the presumably better dummy exposed?

 

thanks folks

RE: 1♥ (P) 1♠ (P); 2NT

This is complicated only by whether or not you open 1NT with 5cM. If you don't then you have rebid problems with 15-17 w/5cM some use 2NT to show that. If you do open 1NT w/5cM, then it is a balanced 18-19 with 2 or 3♠. a 3NT rebid is generally not well defined but Helene's suggestion is playable.

 

RE: 1m (P) 1NT (P); 3NT is generally defined as a gambling 3NT(with known minor suit) with side winners :rolleyes: maybe something like Ax A xxx AKQxxxx or even Ax AK xxx AKQTxx altho some will surely object saying "2NT opening obv"

[mikeh]

I suggest that most 17 counts with a 5 card major are too good to open 15-17 1N. Most experts routinely upgrade 17 counts containing a 5 card suit, unless the hand is flawed or the suit is weak.

 

So most would play that 1♥  1♠  2N is 17-19. I am speaking in terms of 2/1 or standard, in which 2N is nf.

 

1minor  1N  3N: it depends.

 

Many 2/1 players have 1♣  1N showing 8-10 hcp, while over 1♦ it would be 6-10 (ok, 5-10 if you hate passing even with no major).

 

After opening 1♣, opener may choose to jump to 3N on less high card than over 1♦ especially if he has what looks like a running suit. Ax Qxx xx AKJ10xx: opposite a balanced 8-10, especially when they will usually stretch to lead a major, 3N looks like a reasonable shot.

 

After a 1♦ opener, the 3N will usually be around 19 balanced...with a flat 18, invite...or compensating values such as good, long diamonds and stuff on the side....maybe a maximum 3♦ rebid hand with no shortness....17-18 hcp.

[jdonn]

I suggest that most 17 counts with a 5 card major are too good to open 15-17 1N. Most experts routinely upgrade 17 counts containing a 5 card suit, unless the hand is flawed or the suit is weak.

 

So most would play that 1♥  1♠  2N is 17-19. I am speaking in terms of 2/1 or standard, in which 2N is nf.

I almost always upgrade 17 with a 5 card major too, but likewise with 19 into 2NT. So I think the 'official' range is 18-19, but in practice it's really 17-18.