gwnn Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 826432J853Q52 1♣-p-1♦-1♠p-p-1NT-xp-? all vulnerable imps. what has pard got and what do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 2♠, I think he has 6 of them or a good 5-card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 826432J853Q52 1♣-p-1♦-1♠p-p-1NT-xp-? all vulnerable imps. what has pard got and what do you bid? pass and lead a ♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Bid 2H. Partner is making a takeout x with 5 biddable Spades and a H suit. Please don't crucify her by passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Bid 2H. Partner is making a takeout x with 5 biddable Spades and a H suit. Please don't crucify her by passing. so partner couldn't be troubled to bid the ♥ suit and actually tell you what is going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 826432J853Q52 1♣-p-1♦-1♠p-p-1NT-xp-? all vulnerable imps. what has pard got and what do you bid? pass and lead a ♠ You're not on lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Huh. And ELC-ELC Double? Partner has spades and both minors, unless he converts 2♣ to 2♦ (he has spades and both red suits) or 2♦ to 2♥ (he has spades and hearts and maybe had clubs)? Maybe. In that event, 2♦ seems like the winning action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Bid 2H. Partner is making a takeout x with 5 biddable Spades and a H suit. Please don't crucify her by passing. so partner couldn't be troubled to bid the ♥ suit and actually tell you what is going on People that I play with usually know what is going on. The double here is far more flexible that a 2H bid. After all, if I have Cs sown up, then I may well decide to pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 I bid 2 spade and this would not be close.Yes maybe we have a better fit, but I won't muddy waters by searching it. My partners play it different as Ron, they bid 2 heart with a twosuiter in the majors or they double 1 diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Bid 2H. Partner is making a takeout x with 5 biddable Spades and a H suit. Please don't crucify her by passing. so partner couldn't be troubled to bid the ♥ suit and actually tell you what is going on People that I play with usually know what is going on. The double here is far more flexible that a 2H bid. After all, if I have Cs sown up, then I may well decide to pass :rolleyes: Yeah partner could never ever hold[hv=s=skqjt98hxxdaxcaxx]133|100|[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 If I can trust partner, he has a good overcall with six spades, that is clear. If he had another suit and he wanted to compete further, he would bid the other suit. I am going to leave it in and trust that partner has it set in his hand. It does not take a 'mountain too big for a simple overcall' to set them, just long good spades and entries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 pass Partner has a one-loser spade suit, usually 6 times, and entries...they rate to fail more often than not, unless they win the lead and cash 6 tricks. AQJ10xx Ax xx Axx....maybe some would double first with that hand, but I wouldn't be one of them. Edit: that sounds too dogmatic: prototypically, he has that hand type, but he may also simply have a better hand, with shorter spades...whatever he holds, it isn't a majot two-suiter, and they rate to fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 I take it pard has some 16-17 5332 or thereabouts. I was about to bid 2♠ but mikeh talked me into passing. 1NTx is not even a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 I concur with the "if he had a ♥ suit, he would bid it" and he has heard the auction and expects exactly 0-3 hcp from me. With that hand, pass like Eli Manning. p.s. btw I have the "best" hand I could hold with some nice defensive cards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Bid 2H. Partner is making a takeout x with 5 biddable Spades and a H suit. Please don't crucify her by passing. so partner couldn't be troubled to bid the ♥ suit and actually tell you what is going on People that I play with usually know what is going on. The double here is far more flexible that a 2H bid. After all, if I have Cs sown up, then I may well decide to pass:( Yeah partner could never ever hold[hv=s=skqjt98hxxdaxcaxx]133|100|[/hv] If partner held this and bid this way, she would be an idiot. She can make 2S and defeat 1NT. Why give the opponents a chance to escape to 2m or find a playable 3m? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Bid 2H. Partner is making a takeout x with 5 biddable Spades and a H suit. Please don't crucify her by passing. so partner couldn't be troubled to bid the ♥ suit and actually tell you what is going on People that I play with usually know what is going on. The double here is far more flexible that a 2H bid. After all, if I have Cs sown up, then I may well decide to pass:( Yeah partner could never ever hold[hv=s=skqjt98hxxdaxcaxx]133|100|[/hv] If partner held this and bid this way, she would be an idiot. She can make 2S and defeat 1NT. Why give the opponents a chance to escape to 2m or find a playable 3m? I only see 7 tricks so you may or may not make 2♠ but guess what if you don't give the opponents a chance to make a mistake they won't and even if they run to 2m nothing is keeping you from bidding 2♠ then. If they try to chance 1NTX you end up +200 even if partner is busted. And what part score is worth that much ...oh yes 2M+3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 "If they try to chance 1NTX "You clearly play against more palookas than I used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryallen Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 pass Partner has a one-loser spade suit, usually 6 times, and entries...they rate to fail more often than not, unless they win the lead and cash 6 tricks. AQJ10xx Ax xx Axx....maybe some would double first with that hand, but I wouldn't be one of them. Edit: that sounds too dogmatic: prototypically, he has that hand type, but he may also simply have a better hand, with shorter spades...whatever he holds, it isn't a majot two-suiter, and they rate to fail. The problem I see with this approach is all you are doing is informing all at the table exactly what you have? With the bidding so far I cannot see this as being of great value to partner and allows the opposition to inexpensively find an escape. If they subsequently find a minor fit and can compete to the 3 level you then look in far worse shape for coming out with a positive score. Even if they escape to 2 of a minor with a moysian fit, it may be difficult to apply the penalty?. I would share the view of "The Hog" in not seeing the logic in of having this bid for this purpose. The only winners I can see from announcing your holding after the sequence, would be the opposition? 1♣-p-1♦-1♠p-p-1NT-xp-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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