cherdano Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 Furthermore, certain posters are frequent targets of complaint reports. It's possible to have heated arguments without resorting to derogatory language, but these people repeatedly fail at this. And they've been on the net long enough to know that one of the best policies is DNFTT. Can you show me one internet forum that works well where moderators just let the trolls troll, and everybody ignores them? Or, on the larger point of your post above, any internet forum that works well where the moderators just say "Yup I have no idea what is going on in the forum I am supposedly moderating"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 In the real world, protective tariffs have their place but like subsidies, tend to make the receivers complacent, coddled, inefficient and the practice tends to be detrimental to the welfare of the general public. Daniel1960 came here at a poster's request (?). My bridge is sufficiently poor (never better than 1st in an open event at a regional...) that my contributions in that vein remain just that. I did find that certain topics in here were informative and interesting as long as flaming and threats were excluded. It is truly unfortunate that certain individuals cannot bear the presence of people who are; different, wrong, right, special, awkward, well-informed, mis-informed etc. etc. It is they that should not participate rather than telling others what is allowable and acceptable for them to do, see and consider. All motherhood issues whether some did not have enough mothering or others are just mothers... Living in a vacuum ensures that you suffocate eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 In the real world, protective tariffs have their place but like subsidies, tend to make the receivers complacent, coddled, inefficient and the practice tends to be detrimental to the welfare of the general public. No offense Al, but when I want to exercise my mind I go to class at Harvard Law and discuss topics with folks over at MIT. You contribute nothing to these forums but lies and conspiracy theories with the occasion detour into anti semitism.When people repeated point out that you quote badly flawed studies, you never respond in a constructive manner. You simply spin and post some equally asinine new claim. Maybe we're supposed to adopt a "live and let live attitude", but I was always taught that one has an obligation to confront evil.Sadly, by this point in time, you don't deserve anything better than invective and mockery. Case in point: You're equating the being an troll with membership in a protected class. Do you understand just how offensive it is to equate your voluntary actions with being differently abled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 I guess some people don't know how NOT to offend. I suppose having lived with a Jew for a number of years hardly qualifies me as a potential anti-semite, but that smear is just more of the incessant and intolerable invective that typifies low-quality contributions. Finding someone to direct ire towards only ensures that they will not respond to childish and churlish rants. Kind of sad, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Can you show me one internet forum that works well where moderators just let the trolls troll, and everybody ignores them? Or, on the larger point of your post above, any internet forum that works well where the moderators just say "Yup I have no idea what is going on in the forum I am supposedly moderating"?The difference is that we don't consider the forum to be the major part of our business/service. Most Internet forums are a central part of that service. We're not Reddit or Bridge Winners. And I think you're blowing the impact of our trolls way out of proportion. The forum runs pretty well, despite our lax moderation. Once in a while there are blowups, and we deal with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 The difference is that we don't consider the forum to be the major part of our business/service. Most Internet forums are a central part of that service. We're not Reddit or Bridge Winners. And I think you're blowing the impact of our trolls way out of proportion. The forum runs pretty well, despite our lax moderation. Once in a while there are blowups, and we deal with them.Or you could just take a vote and eliminate those who receive the most down-votes. That way, everything would be hunky-dory and all would be well with the world....wouldn't it? Can't have the unpopular folk expressing themselves now can we? I have found the moderation here to be acceptable, in fact much more acceptable than the behavior of those that declare themselves to be the light and the order. Either way, it is just an internet forum and the expression of inconsequentialities. Hardly a matter of life or death now, (despite how some react) is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Can you show me one internet forum that works well where moderators just let the trolls troll, and everybody ignores them? Or, on the larger point of your post above, any internet forum that works well where the moderators just say "Yup I have no idea what is going on in the forum I am supposedly moderating"? We have a right to be wrong. But we should try to keep an open mind, in case of that eventuality.For example, there would be agreement that trolls pollute most water-cooler controversies but no clear consensus as to which side of each debate they support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 We have a right to be wrong. But we should try to keep an open mind, in case of that eventuality.For example, there would be agreement that trolls pollute most water-cooler controversies but no clear consensus as to which side of each debate they support. And that is...supposed to be an argument in favour of keeping the thread going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Is it really possible to make a personal attack against a troll? IMO, It's often just a case of the pot calling the kettle black. If I were to make up an account on some random webforum, just in order to make idiotic posts and stir up controversy, then I sure as hell wouldn't take it personal if someone called this account a piece of *****. You might take offence if you don't recognize your posts to be idiotic. No offense Al, but when I want to exercise my mind I go to class at Harvard Law and discuss topics with folks over at MIT. You contribute nothing to these forums but lies and conspiracy theories with the occasion detour into anti semitism.When people repeated point out that you quote badly flawed studies, you never respond in a constructive manner. You simply spin and post some equally asinine new claim. Maybe we're supposed to adopt a "live and let live attitude", but I was always taught that one has an obligation to confront evil.Sadly, by this point in time, you don't deserve anything better than invective and mockery. Case in point: You're equating the being an troll with membership in a protected class. Do you understand just how offensive it is to equate your voluntary actions with being differently abled?We have a right to be wrong. But we should try to keep an open mind, in case of that eventuality.For example, there would be agreement that trolls pollute most water-cooler debates but no clear consensus as to which side of each controversy they support. And that is...supposed to be an argument in favour of keeping the thread going? Why should a few stop the enjoyment of the many who may be less gifted and who may move in less refined circles but who still want to discuss or to learn more about a topic? There's no compulsion on the former to read or participate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Al_U_Card has made 5,034 posts, 3174 of which have been in the Watercooler (and almost all of the bridge content was years in the past) No kidding, had no idea Al_U_Card was still posting here. Feel like he posted about bridge when like chamaco, inquiry, the hog, luis etc were regs. Remember when inquiry had like more posts than everyone else combined? Edit: looked up "top posters", forgot pbleighton, whereagles, luke warm also lol. And winston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 No kidding, had no idea Al_U_Card was still posting here. Feel like he posted about bridge when like chamaco, inquiry, the hog, luis etc were regs. Remember when inquiry had like more posts than everyone else combined? Edit: looked up "top posters", forgot pbleighton, whereagles, luke warm also lol. And winston. Hey, I retired so I. Have no time to post now. :) On a serious note, my health hasn't be in great past couple of years, but hopefully it is on the right track now. I plan or posting a stream of BBO movies at the BB0 "store", all free of course. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Hey, I retired so I. Have no time to post now. :) On a serious note, my health hasn't be in great past couple of years, but hopefully it is on the right track now. I plan or posting a stream of BBO movies at the BB0 "stone", all free of course. Ben"Re-tired" as in "twice as tired"? ;) I feel ya, after 5 years it makes you wish you were back at work where you could take it easy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Or you could just take a vote and eliminate those who receive the most down-votes.Quite hilarious - you realise you have the lowest Reputation on BBF, right? Since down-votes are no longer possible, it is clear that this will remain a record. On a serious note, my health hasn't be in great past couple of years, but hopefully it is on the right track now. I plan or posting a stream of BBO movies at the BB0 "stone", all free of course. Stay well Ben. Your movies and educational threads are always well received and well worth the time to go through in detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Quite hilarious - you realise you have the lowest Reputation on BBF, right? Since down-votes are no longer possible, it is clear that this will remain a record. butnahhhh http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/user/5672-chudecek/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Given that BBOF has decided, for better or worse, that down-votes are undesirable, it would be logical, were it possible, to eliminate the effect of down-votes from members' histories. No doubt the histories are lost in the mists of time and it would not be possible, however desirable, to make those adjustments. But I expect that they could, given the will, reset any net negative reputations to zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Might be as interesting to see who cast the stones, just to see how much glass their own house is made of... myself included.What people contribute to the discussion is more important than how they do so but a modicum of respect ia always appreciated, if only for others that are looking on and thinking of contributing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Quite hilarious - you realise you have the lowest Reputation on BBF, right? Since down-votes are no longer possible, it is clear that this will remain a record. Glad you got something out of it, if only a good laugh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Might be as interesting to see who cast the stones, just to see how much glass their own house is made of... myself included.What people contribute to the discussion is more important than how they do so but a modicum of respect ia always appreciated, if only for others that are looking on and thinking of contributing. This from the man who openly states that he deliberately lies in his posts and is justified in doing so because the warmists do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 This from the man who openly states that he deliberately lies in his posts and is justified in doing so because the warmists do it...Calling Dr. Pavlov.... ROFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/user/5672-chudecek/I stand corrected. :) Might be as interesting to see who cast the stones,I asked for this functionality some time ago and Barry wrote that it is in the pipelines. What I want it for is to be able to find the post that received an upvote though, rather than some sort of tit-for-tat effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 The Climate Change controversy unhinges a few posters but it's always breaking news,of vital interest to many, and better elucidated by scientific observation and argument than most Water Cooler topics. In most topics, some contributors regard some posts as rubbish. They are free to refute such posts or to advance their own facts and arguments. It seems wrong however, that simply by insulting those with whom he disagrees, a poster can close down a topic. Please would the moderators reconsider their decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 The Climate Change controversy unhinges a few posters but it's always breaking news,of vital interest to many, and better elucidated by scientific observation and argument than most Water Cooler topics. It seems wrong however, that simply by insulting those with whom he disagrees, a poster can close down a topic. Please would the moderators reconsider their decision.SEVERAL TIMES and yes it is wrong but special consideration is often given to people with special needs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillHiggin Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 My opinion (which is normally worthless):Reopen the d*** topic so that the trolls can troll there and the fools that feed trolls can feed them there (and I can go back to ignoring a silly thread) and both sets can stop flaming this thread! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 The Climate Change controversy unhinges a few posters but it's always breaking news,of vital interest to many, and better elucidated by scientific observation and argument than most Water Cooler topics. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 SEVERAL TIMES and yes it is wrong but special consideration is often given to people with special needs...Maybe non-native speakers need to be explained what "special needs" refers to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_needsThis piece of shite gets tolerated because he hides his insults well-enough (just like his frequent anti-semitic dog whistles), whereas hrothgar, who (a) makes his insults direct and to the face, and (b) makes worthwhile contributions to the overall forum frequently gets disciplined. This is the kind of shiit the moderators decided to get into by tolerating the climate change thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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