Interesting hand I was told about...

[Hanoi5]

I'm not ssure about vulnerability but you get:

 

♠KJx

♥AJxxxxx

♦A

♣AK

 

Your partner OPENS 1♥.

[Free]

Depends on our system... probably 2NT followed by controls (hoping for a ♠ control) and RKC

[mohitz]

Keycard ask. If partner shows 2 keycards, i will blast 7.

 

If partner shows 1 keycard, I will sign-off in 6. It is possible that partner might have the Ace Spade and we are cold for 7 without the King of trumps, but the odds are so low and I can't think of a convincing way to clear this ambiguity.

[gnasher]

Has the modern obsession with keycard-asks really gone so far that people think this hand can't be bid sensibly?

 

I bid 2NT, which will tell me if partner has short spades. Then I initiate a cue-bidding sequence. Then:

- If partner denies a spade shortage and then cue-bids spades, I'll know it's the ace, and I'll bid 7♠ (7NT at matchpoints).

- If he's shown spade shortage and then cue-bids spades, I'll know it's probably a void, and I'll bid 7♠.

- If he denies a spade shortage and doesn't cue-bid spade, I'll bid 6NT.

- If he shows a spade shortage and doesn't cue-bid spades, I'll bid 6♠.

[Simplicity]

Has the modern obsession with keycard-asks really gone so far that people think this hand can't be bid sensibly?

 

I bid 2NT, which will tell me if partner has short spades.  Then I initiate a cue-bidding sequence.  Then:

- If partner denies a spade shortage and then cue-bids spades, I'll know it's the ace, and I'll bid 7♠ (7NT at matchpoints).

- If he's shown spade shortage and then cue-bids spades, I'll know it's probably a void, and I'll bid 7♠.

- If he denies a spade shortage and doesn't cue-bid spade, I'll bid 6NT.

- If he shows a spade shortage and doesn't cue-bid spades, I'll bid 6♠.

At the risk of trolling i think you might want to consinder playing in your 12 card fit rather than your 3-0 ;)

 

Otherwise totally agree

[Codo]

Obvious 2 NT. And following Andys plan. Okay maybe I would choose a different suit at the end, but who knows...

[helene_t]

Keycard ask is ok, although if p shows one keycard we want to be in 7 if it's the ♠A which we will need to assume it isn't. If p has the ace of spades I bid 7. Can probably get rid of my spade loser on his ♣Q or ♦K, or some lower minor honor that can be ruffed high. Otherwise the finesse has to be on, or p needs to have ♠Q.

 

2NT sounds cool but there might be a 4NT or 5♦ call on my left so I ask for keycards while I still can.

[ONEferBRID]

Has the modern obsession with keycard-asks really gone so far that people think this hand can't be bid sensibly?

 

I bid 2NT, which will tell me if partner has short spades.  Then I initiate a cue-bidding sequence.  Then:

- If partner denies a spade shortage and then cue-bids spades, I'll know it's the ace, and I'll bid 7♠ (7NT at matchpoints).

- If he's shown spade shortage and then cue-bids spades, I'll know it's probably a void, and I'll bid 7♠.

- If he denies a spade shortage and doesn't cue-bid spade, I'll bid 6NT.

- If he shows a spade shortage and doesn't cue-bid spades, I'll bid 6♠.

I think Andy has the right idea.... with his 6NT senario.

It would be a bummer to go down in 6♥ after an opening ♠ lead with the A Q over the K J.

[Hanoi5]

1♥-2NT

4♥ (minimum, no sing or void)

 

Now what?

[P_Marlowe]

4NT should get the job done.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

1♥-2NT

4♥ (minimum, no sing or void)

 

Now what?

4NT, what else?.

 

The slower route is ok, you right sided a NT contract, which you would

also have done with 4NT.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[phil_20686]

1♥-2NT

4♥ (minimum, no sing or void)

 

Now what?

i dont think many of us actually play that 4♥ is minimum. Its to wasteful. Probably more common is 3c to show any min with shortage asks over the top.

[gnasher]

1♥-2NT

4♥ (minimum, no sing or void)

 

Now what?

5♣. If he signs off in 5♥, I bid 6♣, showing ♦A, ♣AK and no ♠A. If he has ♠A but is still embarrassed about opening, he can bid 6♦ as last-train.

 

If he cue-bids 5♦ over 5♣, he'll be promising spade control, since I ostensibly denied one. That must, of course, be the ace.

 

By the way, I think that using 4♥ to show a minimum without a shortage is quite a poor idea. Why use up two whole levels of bidding to show your most common hand type?

[gnasher]

4NT, what else?.

Anything else. How does it help you to learn that partner has one key card?

[billw55]

4NT, what else?.

Anything else. How does it help you to learn that partner has one key card?

True dat. Not every day the trump K is wasted value, but here it is.

 

So yeah, just 2NT then start cuebidding. The A♠ is the only thing he can have to cue, he other does or doesn't, so we should get an easy choice between 6 and 7.

[P_Marlowe]

4NT, what else?.

Anything else. How does it help you to learn that partner has one key card?

That is fine, I will give up.

 

Chances are that if p has only one 1KC, this 1KC is the king of hearts,

if he has the Ace of spade, that is life.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Hanoi5]

1♥-2NT

4♥-5♣

5♥-6♦!!!

???

 

With:

 

♠Ax

♥QTxxx

♦Kxx

♣QJx

[ONEferBRID]

Let's assume Opener has a minimum ( most likely ) and NO shortness.

We all hate the plain vanilla Jac2NT reply of 4H.

But even if you play one of the Scandinavian 2NT systems where 3C! = minimum, may or may not have shortness ( 3D! asks), how do you get a ♠ cue BELOW game level? You can't.

So I think we are stuck with an eventual key card ask, and Andy's final 6NT if Opener only shows 1 key card.

 

If you know of a way to get a ♠ cue from Opener ( w/no shortness) below 4♥, please let me know.

[pooltuna]

I'm not ssure about vulnerability but you get:

 

♠KJx

♥AJxxxxx

♦A

♣AK

 

Your partner OPENS 1♥.

well my gut reaction is just to RKC and suffer in 6♥ when he only has 1

[gwnn]

There are two solutions:

• bid 2NT and follow up like gnasher
  
• bid 2♣, attempting to set up an RKC situation for clubs. then you know about the club king, it is in your hand. :P
  

Warning! Don't bid 1♠!! CHO will correct 7♥ to spades!! :P

[P_Marlowe]

Let's assume Opener has a minimum ( most likely ) and NO shortness.

We all hate the plain vanilla Jac2NT reply of 4H.

But even if you play one of the Scandinavian 2NT systems where 3C! = minimum, may or may not have shortness ( 3D! asks), how do you get a ♠ cue BELOW game level? You can't.

So I think we are stuck with an eventual key card ask, and Andy's final 6NT if Opener only shows 1 key card.

 

If you know of a way to get a ♠ cue from Opener ( w/no shortness) below 4♥, please let me know.

Well, this is simple.

 

1H - 2NT (1)

3C (2) - 3H (3)

3S (4)

 

(1) Jacoby

(2) Min, no shortage

(3) waiting, demanding a cue, the meaning of 3H is similar to 3NT

(4) voila

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Codo]

1♥-2NT

4♥-5♣

5♥-6♦!!!

???

 

With:

 

♠Ax

♥QTxxx

♦Kxx

♣QJx

I really hate 4 Heart for minimum. But given that, the 5 club bid was fine. It shows: Club control, no first round spade control still interessted in slam.

 

Now CHO thought: ThIS IDIOT, didn't he see me bidding 4 Heart? I will repeat the message and bid 5 Heart. CHO was the idiot himself. 5 Heart is simply wrong.

[gnasher]

1♥-2NT

4♥-5♣

5♥-6♦!!!

???

 

With:

 

♠Ax

♥QTxxx

♦Kxx

♣QJx

That hand should have bid 5♦ over 5♣. 5♦ promises spade control, which must be the ace.

 

Suppose that you make your opening hand Ax Q10xxx Qxx QJx, which might sign off in 5♥. The bidding will go:

 

1♥-2NT

4♥-5♣

5♥-6♣ (a better bid than 6♦)

 

At this point opener should probably just bid 7♠, but if he's still nervous he can bid 6♦. That shows ♠A, because responder denied it. It can't show ♦K, because opener denied holding ♦K and ♠A. Therefore, even if you don't usually play Last Train, that's what this is.

 

If you know of a way to get a ♠ cue from Opener ( w/no shortness) below 4♥, please let me know.

Why on earth do you care what level we're at when he cue-bids it? As long as we're below 6NT when he makes the decision, we're fine.

 

Chances are that if p has only one 1KC, this 1KC is the king of hearts,

if he has the Ace of spade, that is life.

It's also 11 or 13 IMPs out. You must have very tolerant teammates.

[andy_h]

1♥-2NT

4♥-5♣

5♥-6♦!!!

???

 

With:

 

♠Ax

♥QTxxx

♦Kxx

♣QJx

Given that you have boxed on your hand with 4♥, I'm assuming worse than an average minimum, then this hand should bid 5♦ over 5♣ as our hand is better than a complete junk. It's even more so perfect with a spade and a diamond control.

[jdonn]

Why are people still responding 4NT even after reading gnasher's posts?

 

I'm all for getting where you are going quickly, but here you can clearly reach the right contract all the time by just bidding out your hand. Is it that it's too much work to take a couple extra rounds of the auction to reach the right contract?