mdaw Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 The bidding: 1♥ - 1♠2♦ - 3♣*3♦** - 4♣ * - FSF, 2NT would be inviting** - shows minimum hand with 55 What should mean 4♣? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Hi, Natural makes the most sense. If you want to agree diamonds, you can bid diamonds.If you want agree hearts ...If you ... With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 For this to be natural, Responder must have a lot of black cards. With 4♠/5+♣, Responder would start 2♣. With 5♠/6+♣, Responder would start 2♣. With 5♠/5♣, Responder would presumably bid 3NT at this point. With 6♠/6♣, maybe Responder now bids 4♣. In light of all this, it seems that 4♣ would work better for some special reason. That said, I'm not sure what special reason is sexy enough to replace the both blacks meaning. I suppose cue in support makes sense. If this sequence came up enough to make it worthwhile, I'd tinker and make 4♣ a shape ask, seeking the shortness. 4♦ stiff club, 4♥ stiff spade, 4♠ void club, 4NT void spade, 5♣ double stiff is possible. Or, 4♦ stiff club (4♥ then RKCB diamonds); 4♥+ RKCB answers with stiff spade; or the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 According to my meta agreements this would be a cuebid for diamonds, no idea if it's best or not but for almost everyone it is too laborious to have different agreements for every auction to try to be optimal, so you fall back on some rules (no new suits at the 4 level in unpreempted auctions). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I like to have the general agreement that a second-round jump in the fourth suit is natural, 5-5 and game-forcing, so bidding and rebidding the fourth suit is never natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I agree with Ken and Uwe..... 4♣ says " I have more black cards than you have red cards because if I had interest in a red suit, I could have just bid 3♥ or 4♦ after 4th Suit GF " ......" so pick one of mine " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I agree with Ken and Uwe..... 4♣ says " I have more black cards than you have red cards because if I had interest in a red suit, I could have just bid 3♥ or 4♦ after 4th Suit GF " ......" so pick one of mine " . Technically, you agree with my assessment of what others would play. I would rather this be supportive of diamonds. I just don't know what it should say about that fact, precisely. My default would also be cue, by agreement, if this was discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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