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Would you go 2 over 1 F.G. with this?


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Would you bid 2 Clubs with this hand:  

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  1. 1. Would you bid 2 Clubs with this hand:

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No reason to GF, IMO.

 

Suppose I bid 1NT, forcing. If partner rebids 2NT or higher, no problem. If partner rebids 2 or 2, I could decide to GF now. If partner bids 2 or 2, I could choose to bid 3NT. But, if partner passes 1NT, he decided right.

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Slightly depends on partner's style of openings. Generally I wouldn't GF as this hand is aceless with a stray jack. If my hand was Kxx KQxx Jx Kxxx then I would as we have a known fit. I'll start off with 1NT and I'm still allowed to re-evaluate depending on partner's rebid.
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All day long. If partner has a hand with just 11, he will have no crap, so we may still have play in game.

Exactly! If you have that partner, bid 2. But if you have the partner that frequently does have crap ...

The partner with the crap rebids 2 over 2 and passes your 2NT call

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Disagree with Ken. 1NT followed by 3NT should be reserved for hands that upgrade due to opener's rebid, or are too quacky to give p the impression of hiving the slam potential that usually goes with GF hands.

 

This depends on partner's opening style, I suppose with an unknown p I would GF.

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No reason to GF, IMO.

 

Suppose I bid 1NT, forcing.  If partner rebids 2NT or higher, no problem.  If partner rebids 2 or 2, I could decide to GF now.  If partner bids 2 or 2, I could choose to bid 3NT.  But, if partner passes 1NT, he decided right.

The OP suggested that 2/1 is gf...that method ALWAYS (to my knowledge) means that 1N is F1. Therefore opener will never pass 1N unless he has psyched.

 

Having said that, I agree with Gnasher's post (all of it)

 

Helene: arguing that 1N 3N should be reserved for hands that have upgraded is not, imo, accurate. Another reason for 1N then 3N is to warn partner, who may be looking at a hand just under jumpshift values, NOT to get excited, as he surely would were we to gf immediately. Thus I (and others) will sometimes respond 1N or make a limit bergen raise on hands where we, as responder, are always intending to bid game but don't want partner to become too aggressive on good hands. These hands are usually very 'soft', as is the one under consideration.

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All day long. If partner has a hand with just 11, he will have no crap, so we may still have play in game.

Exactly! If you have that partner, bid 2. But if you have the partner that frequently does have crap ...

The partner with the crap rebids 2 over 2 and passes your 2NT call

Well if 2 is game forcing that's not really an option ;)

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1NT!!! I saw it started off nearly unanimous for a game force and nearly puked in my mouth.

Josh you should know by now being an underbidder on the forums is a fate worse than death. Underbidders must where a scarlet "U" on their foreheads. Mine is permanently stained.

 

1N is very easy. In many continuations I will GF this. In others I will simply invite.

 

When is a balanced, aceless 12 ever a game force?

 

When the "an opening bid facing an opening bid produces game" theorem was introduced, people were passing these hands.

...puked in my mouth

 

Prilosec helps with this.

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1NT forcing followed by 2NT over 2 of a minor. Bid 4 over 2. Over 2 it is sort of a 3 1/2 bid. I haven't quite decided whether I want to bid a spade game over a 2 rebid.
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