fachiru Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=e&n=s10h98532dkq65c765&s=sakj753hkqda3ca98]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] 1♠ - all PassMade 4 easily.What do you think went wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Too easy to look at both hands, afterward, and result. I agree with 1S rather than 2C, and probably would not respond with the other hand. Oh, well....next hand might be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Responder. Even if you don't respond light in general he has the KQ together in one suit, the ten of partner's suit, and a 5 card major where there may be a fit. Passing the opening bid is criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Responder. Even if you don't respond light in general he has the KQ together in one suit, the ten of partner's suit, and a 5 card major where there may be a fit. Passing the opening bid is criminal. Interesting, I would agree when playing with a partner whose opening bids are sound, respond 1NT. But with a partner who opens any trashy 11 count (there seem to be many), would you feel the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Passing the opening bid is criminal.Careful, we might get moved to the LAWS Forum by Blue or Black. Passing 1S is certainly more questionable than the 1S opening bid, but with a good attorney, I could get off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Responder. Even if you don't respond light in general he has the KQ together in one suit, the ten of partner's suit, and a 5 card major where there may be a fit. Passing the opening bid is criminal. Interesting, I would agree when playing with a partner whose opening bids are sound, respond 1NT. But with a partner who opens any trashy 11 count (there seem to be many), would you feel the same? I'd feel even more strongly in fact. You want to respond if the opponents have game (or a partscore) as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 I would respond, but I would also open 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 What makes N's hand worse than: 10 Qxxxx Qxxx Qxx? I'm sure that only WW would call this example better. I'd always respond on the N hand. I also wouldn't open 2♣. But maybe I need to open 2♣ more liberally? Generally I do it only with game basically in hand. But then again, my partners would all respond 1NT so I haven't felt slighted at all by this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 If I opened this 2C, I'd be planning to rebid 2NT. Insisting on game with this is excessive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=e&n=s10h98532dkq65c765&s=sakj753hkqda3ca98]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] 1♠ - all PassMade 4 easily.What do you think went wrong? You didn't open 2♣ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Not even close to a 2♣ opening bid. Responder owes opener a bid. Opener could be 5-5 in the majors. Now it doesn't take too much to make a game. For example: AxxxxAxxxxxxA or AxxxxAxxxxAxx You may not bid the game, but at least you will get to hearts instead of spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Responder. Even if you don't respond light in general he has the KQ together in one suit, the ten of partner's suit, and a 5 card major where there may be a fit. Passing the opening bid is criminal. I am such a criminal, who does not believe that it is winning Bridge in the long run to respond with sub minimum values on a misfit, particularly when partner opens a 5 card major. I also do not understand why people set up such extreme requirements for a 2♣ opening, at least when holding a major one-suiter.Could it be that you respond on nothing because you set up such extreme requirements for opening 2♣?With a long major there is little wrong by agreeing that a simple suit rebid after a second negative is not forcing Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Not even close to a 2♣ opening bid. Responder owes opener a bid. Opener could be 5-5 in the majors. Now it doesn't take too much to make a game. For example: AxxxxAxxxxxxA or AxxxxAxxxxAxx You may not bid the game, but at least you will get to hearts instead of spades.For some Christmas arrives on every board, at least until dummy comes down. Others take a far more realistic view to this game and go plus instead of minus. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Not even close to a 2♣ opening bid. Responder owes opener a bid. Opener could be 5-5 in the majors. Now it doesn't take too much to make a game. For example: AxxxxAxxxxxxA or AxxxxAxxxxAxx You may not bid the game, but at least you will get to hearts instead of spades.For some Christmas arrives on every board, at least until dummy comes down. Others take a far more realistic view to this game and go plus instead of minus. Rainer Herrmann And for others that don't believe in Santa Claus, they try to be the grinch with the opponents, and occasional deliver the gift of KQxxx to partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Responder. Even if you don't respond light in general he has the KQ together in one suit, the ten of partner's suit, and a 5 card major where there may be a fit. Passing the opening bid is criminal. I am such a criminal, who does not believe that it is winning Bridge in the long run to respond with sub minimum values on a misfit, particularly when partner opens a 5 card major.It's not a misfit yet! You could still have a fit in any suit at all, partner has only taken one bid so far. Not even close to a 2♣ opening bid. Responder owes opener a bid. Opener could be 5-5 in the majors. Now it doesn't take too much to make a game. For example: AxxxxAxxxxxxA or AxxxxAxxxxAxx You may not bid the game, but at least you will get to hearts instead of spades.For some Christmas arrives on every board, at least until dummy comes down. Others take a far more realistic view to this game and go plus instead of minus.His examples were quite realistic. If he wanted to be 'unrealistic' he could give partner Axxxx AKxxx AJx - so that you struggle along in 1♠ with a cold grand slam, and opposite a mere 16 count too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Good thread here. I prefer to open this 2♣ which is not GF for me after a dbl negative response. However, this is a dead min for me and if PD opens 1♠ I won't say a word in criticism, and I trust he won't say a word when I respond 1NT, with what is also a min, but having a bit too much potential to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 lol Indeed, but exactly what are you laughing at? There are a lot of people out there who are waiting for you to express an opinion so that they can agree with it. In the circumstances, non-specific ridicule isn't particularly helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 There are a lot of people out there who are waiting for you to express an opinion so that they can agree with it. haha that's funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Be interesting to see a calculation done with 1000+ hands where responder has that hand and opener has a 1S opener and responder bids a forcing NT. My inclination would have been to pass as responder. I like hearing a red suit, and don't want to hear black suits or 2NT out of partner. Responding works great in this case, but I wonder if its truly the percentage action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguelm Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Is this what a 2C opener looks like these days...? Oh my :) North can't Pass 1S IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Agree with Justin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Interesting, I would agree when playing with a partner whose opening bids are sound, respond 1NT. But with a partner who opens any trashy 11 count (there seem to be many), would you feel the same? I wouldn't be bothered about the possibility that opener is subminimal. OK, he might go down in 2♠ but then maybe opps are cold for 3NT, so even 2♠x-3 is fine at this vuln. Lots of good things could happen if p is weak, like we making 2♣/♦/♥ when 1♠ would be down and opps could be making 1NT. More worrying is if p rebids 3♠ or 4♠ and he has diamond shortness. But I think if you respond with (almost) all 6-counts you have to respond with this hand too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 For me the obvious start is 1♠-1NT-... This is no 2♣ opening (even 2NT might be better) and passing 1♠ is criminal since you might have a ♥ fit and easy game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 lol There are a lot of people out there who are waiting for you to express an opinion so that they can agree with it. haha that's funny Agree with Justin. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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