bd71 Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 [hv=s=skjt8hj72d7543c83]133|100|P (1C) 1D (1H)?[/hv] Pass, 2D to show support, X to show spades...what's your choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted November 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 I forgot to include this... If you pass, suppose you have an extra point...what would you bid then? And does it matter if it's an extra point in spades (KQTx) or diamonds (J754)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Even with an extra point, I think this hand is very weak. 4342 , the ♥J is worthless and the spade honors are not solid. If partner bids spades next I will reluctantly raise ♠'s but I really dont have much hope for this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 2D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 3D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 2D, we have a 9 card fit, I show the fit. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: If p has a 4 card spade suit, and if he is willing to competeto at least 3D, than he should, if still possible, bid 2S, i.e my raisedoes not deny 4 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Even with an extra point, I think this hand is very weak. 4342 , the ♥J is worthless and the spade honors are not solid. If partner bids spades next I will reluctantly raise ♠'s but I really dont have much hope for this hand. If p bids spade on his own, you should not raise reluctantly,you have a p, who bids without knowing, that you are sort of a live, and you see a double fit.Ps free bid and the double fit is enough to compete to the 3 level,espesially, if you pass now, becuase this pass limits your handsvery tightly. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 2♦, wouldn't show spades. It really does help to have the vul in these problems since 3♦ is at least an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 3♦. This hand has 4 card support so I would never pass. With 4 small spades I would always raise diamonds, with a stronger hand I would always show spades. With this hand I would like to show spades, but the hand is not strong enough to bid spades then support diamonds. The downside of 3♦ is that if we have a spade fit it is probably lost now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Um, 3D? Get to where you are willing to play as soon as is humanly possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 [hv=s=skjt8hj72d7543c83]133|100|P (1C) 1D (1H)?[/hv] Pass, 2D to show support, X to show spades...what's your choice? 2♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 2♦ - support with support. 3♦ too much with nothing in diamonds and a pretty flat hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Agree with Quantumcat, at least if nonvul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Form of scoring and vulnerability... I really want to show spades. The downsides are obvious and have been stated. The wildly important upsides, though, keep nagging at me: 1. If partner has spade support, I am not upset with my meager strength -- double fits play well. 2. I really don't want to encourage a dangerous diamond lead. 3. I really do want to encourage a spade lead Still not sure what I want to do here. The unknown vulnerability and scoring make a difference. There is also another factor, FWIW. If I show spades, I bury the great diamond fit and suggest greater strength than I actually have. That's a negative. But, it has some mitigation in that the opponents also will lack this info and will be somewhat in the dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Probably 3♦. Red, given my awful shape, I might sometimes only bid 2♦ I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Um, 3D? Get to where you are willing to play as soon as is humanly possible. 3D is just overdoing it.3 hearts, spades badly placed spades - the 1H response usually denies5-4 in the major, ... well, not always, but assuming this, spades will be more often with opener, who is sitting behind you. And than - preemption is good, but from a certain level onward,they just can take the money and go home, without a lot of trouble. And they dont have a lot of issue finding the axt, X after 3D is for mostoptional, just showing cards, and both can make it, stay low on this one, leave it to p, who is still on the table. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Probably 3♦. Red, given my awful shape, I might sometimes only bid 2♦ I guess. We agree. Our side holds at least 9♦ and our hand looks preemptive. I will forget about ♠ and put more pressure on the opps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevek Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 DoubleSnapdragon. Not that I think it's clear or even right. Just surprised that nobody suggested it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Maybe nobody suggested Snapdragon, because this would show 2 card fit and 5 card in the unbid suit? A nice tool if you have that kind of hand. But we don`t have it. I would bid 2 diamond. For 3 Diamond, I would need shape, not just 4 trumps.But please continue to bid 3 Diamond with these hands to put the pressure on me and my partner. We love this kind of pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 5 spades and 2 diamonds? With those hands we would all bid 1S. The situation is a little different if they have bid 1S and we hold hearts. In the actual auction double as 4 spades and 1S as 5+ seems much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 [hv=s=skjt8hj72d7543c83]133|100|P (1C) 1D (1H)?[/hv] Pass, 2D to show support, X to show spades...what's your choice? This is a classic Snap Dragon Double situation ( the first 3 players have each bid a different suit ).You are still at the 1-level, so DBL showing at least 4 cards in the 4th suit ( Sp ) is acceptable WITH at least mild support for partner's Diam. If the 3rd bid were at the 2-level, say:(1C) - 1H - ( 2D ) - DBL = 5 cards Sp and at least a doubleton Ht. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Good to learn something new every day. :)I really thought a snap dragon shows always 5/2 and that this is simply no situation for a snap dragon double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jh51 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 never mind. This was not from the event I thought it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 5 spades and 2 diamonds? With those hands we would all bid 1S. The situation is a little different if they have bid 1S and we hold hearts. In the actual auction double as 4 spades and 1S as 5+ seems much better. But with 5 spades we still want to show our diamond tolerance immediately so that p can bid 3♦ over 2♥ when it's right. Maybe 5♠+3♦ is a better agreement than 5♠+2♦, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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