H_KARLUK Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sajhat854dkj6ca76]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Uncontested 1♣ 1♥2♣ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Obviously, you have to make some sort of forcing call. You don't know which strain to play in or at what level. I play 2♦ as artificial and forcing in this situation, so that is my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 2♦, what else? Even if you don't have an "agreement" that it is forcing, it's the normal treatment to force the auction. Surely an A/E would not consider passing 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 2♦ is normal unless you play 3♣ as forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 2♦ is natural and forcing for me, that's my bid. 4♣ doesn't look wrong either except for the MP thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 2♦ wtp. 3♣ next round is forcing. I just about have a slam force with the good fit and great controls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanM Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Although I agree with 2♦ now, I think I would have bid 2♥ last round. My agreement about the strong jump shift is that it can be any one of 3 hand types: a long, strong suit win a game forcing hand; support for opener with a decent suit; 17+ balanced with a 5+ card suit. This hand falls into the third type and I think it is easier to describe if I start with 2♥. I would make a strong jump shift even if my agreement for the HCPs in the balanced hand type was higher - this is worth more than 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellache Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 2♦, easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=n&n=s6hkq6da853ckj842&s=sajhat854dkj6ca76]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv]Could you please give your best bids by both sides ?Sincerely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Maybe something like this, of course adjusted for different systems 1♣ 1♥2♥ 2♠3♣ 3♦3♥ 5NT6♦ 6♥P 2♠: Asking3♣: Max with 3 hearts3♦: Asking3♥: Short spades5NT: Pick a slam, in case opener is 1336. I think it's too obscure to investigate for x KQx Axxx KQxxx and you would need 3-2 breaks anyway.The first 3 and last 2 bids are automatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 why is 3H short spades? I mean I guess it's arbitrary, just havent seen high shortness first ever. I think 5N is too much of a view, I wanna be in 6H at MP even if we need hearts to come in and can ruff them out in clubs. I would just set hearts as trumps via 3S then bid keycard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellache Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Dealer: North Vul: N/S Scoring: MP ♠ 6 ♥ KQ6 ♦ A853 ♣ KJ842 ♠ AJ ♥ AT854 ♦ KJ6 ♣ A76 Could you please give your best bids by both sides ?SincerelyThis is how I bid it with my regular pard :1♣ 1♥2♣ 2♦ (nmf, GF, personal agreement)2♥ 3♥ (3 cards, 3♥ sets hearts)3♠ ____ (Any 1st/2nd round ♠CTRL)_____ 3NT (please bid 4♥ now if strictly minimum)4♣ ____ (not Min, ♣Ace or King)_____ 4NT (RKCB)5♠ ____ (2+Q)_____ 5NT (we have all KC)6♥ ____ (Nothing else) This is how I would play it using Spider with my second pard :1♦ Natural unbal, or 4♦5♣1♥ Relay GF or Hearts or LIM+ w/Diamonds2♣ 4+4+ minors unbal 11-14(15) HCP2♠ GFR2[NT] xx453♣ R3♥ 13454♦ sets Hearts5♦ 13-14HCP, 2 Keycards, ♥Q, ♣K, no other Kings.5♠ Queens ?6♥ No outside queens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 why is 3H short spades? I mean I guess it's arbitrary, just havent seen high shortness first ever. I think 5N is too much of a view, I wanna be in 6H at MP even if we need hearts to come in and can ruff them out in clubs. I would just set hearts as trumps via 3S then bid keycard. I didn't see it was mps, wouldn't investigate for clubs then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Dealer: North Vul: N/S Scoring: MP ♠ 6 ♥ KQ6 ♦ A853 ♣ KJ842 ♠ AJ ♥ AT854 ♦ KJ6 ♣ A76 Could you please give your best bids by both sides ?SincerelyI'm going to use dellache's sequence with only a change at the end:After 5S = 2 + hQ, Responder makes the more useful bid of 6C next = asking for 3rd Rnd Ctrl ( essentially asking for the Cl Q , since the 4C cuebid already showed the Cl K. [ Third Rnd Ctrl Ask is triggered by bypassing the 5NT K-ask )If Opener had the Cl Q, the reply would be 6NT.If he didn't have it, the reply would be 6H ( same result as dellache's )If he had both the Cl Q and J, the reply would be 7C ... which may then be corrected to 7H or 7NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted November 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Allright, appreciated :) Hamdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 <!-- NORTHSOUTH begin --><table border=1> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td>Dealer:</td> <td> North </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vul:</td> <td> N/S </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring:</td> <td> MP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table border='1'> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> 6 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> KQ6 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> A853 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> KJ842 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> AJ </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> AT854 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> KJ6 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> A76 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> </table> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table><!-- NORTHSOUTH end -->Could you please give your best bids by both sides ?Sincerely 1c=1h2h=3c ( 2s would be start of short suit game try relay)no stopping me now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 If we can bring artificial systems like raising with 3 cards and stuff lets try 1♣-1♦ (transfer)1♥-2♦ (xyz)3♦-3♥4♣-4♦4♥-4NT5♠-5NT6♣-6♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 If we can bring artificial systems like raising with 3 cards... lol yes very artificial to raise to 2H to suggest that that might be the best spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Really dislike opening 1C on that hand. You are forced to bidding 2C on that rubbishy suit. I much prefer Polish methods whereby you open this 1D and rebid 2C. Now 2S is an artifical GF and you clarify lengths and exact shape. Further, this is an automatic 2H raise. I cannot believe the 2C bid in that context! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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