Settle a discussion

[the hog]

Thinking out loud...

 

I tend to like 2/1 GF sequences when a splinter or Jacoby 2NT is imperfect. Both are terribly imperfect in this situation, so, let's try it out. I usually anticipate a likely auction in making a decision

 

1♥-2♣(GF, natural or support)

2♦-2♥(trumps set)

2♠(spade control)-???

 

This likely start is predictable.

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2C? So you ignore not just 5 card support, but also a 5 card S suit in which you would like to know partner's holding. Sometimes I think you post stuff like this just to get a reaction. Well, you got mine.

[ggwhiz]

I like (not love) jacoby 2nt as the lower slower option on just about any hand that others splinter on. Too many bad experiences as a rookie with wide ranging abuse of splinters.

 

Comments in this thread range from too strong to splinter to a whole bunch of perfect bid but you can't pass 4h or you should pass 4h, the 1h opener should move.....YIKES! No more splinters for me.

 

I'll consider the 2c bid as a little less flawed than a splinter but just a little less.

[Vampyr]

South is way too good to splinter and pass a sign off.

 

I agree, and I don't think that South has the sort of monster that can splinter and then bid on.

 

Since splinters take up so much room, I prefer to have them closely defined -- I like 3 or 4 controls (K=1, A=2), and not enough HCP for a FG raise.

[benlessard]

Responder pass of 4H is a joke.

 

 

1♥-2♣(GF, natural or support)

2♦-2♥(trumps set)

2♠(spade control)-???

 

Why bidding 3H to show 2 top 3H honnor ?

What about jumping to 4D wich hopefully show a void.

 

For my point of view i hate splinter that dont make the difference between a stiff and a void, the difference is too important for a bid that take that much space.

[jdeegan]

:) A splinter is sometimes called a "picture" bid. It paints a hand with good trump support, shortage in the "splinter" suit, and where the high card values and long side suit values to justify the game force are minimal. Usually, 4-4-4-1 shape.

Here, responder has far too good and far too flexible a hand to splinter. Your reaction to a splinter was 100% correct. The ♦ ace was fine (by the way), but the rest of your hand was a minimum. Think "Splinter is a one shot picture bid to describe a very particular sort of hand". Otherwise, just bid zee hand. Good luck, and good bridge.

[kenrexford]

Thinking out loud...

 

I tend to like 2/1 GF sequences when a splinter or Jacoby 2NT is imperfect.  Both are terribly imperfect in this situation, so, let's try it out. I usually anticipate a likely auction in making a decision

 

1♥-2♣(GF, natural or support)

2♦-2♥(trumps set)

2♠(spade control)-???

 

This likely start is predictable. 

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2C? So you ignore not just 5 card support, but also a 5 card S suit in which you would like to know partner's holding. Sometimes I think you post stuff like this just to get a reaction. Well, you got mine.

Um, if you know how to read an entire post, you know that I considered and then rejected it. Is there some reason why you would not consider a call that might seem odd at first, to play out the auction mentally to see if it might actually work best? Or, is your bidding style one where you mentally plug your actual hand into some set of definitions of responses to see what it most closely fits and then deal with the remainder of the auction later? I like planning, myself.

 

Heck, if a forcing 1NT might produce the best auction, I'd go with that.