jim420 Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 You've just dealt yourself this hand. How would you open this? [hv=d=n&v=n&s=skj6hdkqj97432ct5]133|100|Scoring: IMPW N E S- ?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 5 in all positions, all vulnerabilities, all forms of scoring. if i am depressed for some reason and pessimistic about my life in general, i might open 4 but i really don't think that's a great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim420 Posted November 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 ah...so quick anyway, keep voting plz. Will post the whole hand with the bidding later for you guys to have a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 i can guarantee you 100% that 5♦ will not be anything near unanimous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 4♦ or 5♦ depending on style. I think it is borderline with a random p, but if we have an opportunity to discuss this before playing I prefer this to be a 5♦ opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 I'm not opening this 5♦ ever r/w. Its too easy for it to go x -AP. 4♦ is enough there. 4th I'm not opening this 5♦. I think that is kind of stupid. 1/2/3 I'm OK with 5♦, but I could be talked into 1♦ in 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Conditions of contest say 1st seat at imps NV v NV. 5D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 I would just open 1D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 I open 1♦, too many losers and too much defense for 5♦ here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 1♦, because you can't play 3N (or 4♠) after opening 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojila Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 1!D as hand is opening hand.. i would compete to 5!DPossibly partner has 1 or 2 cards in !D...So definately has other suits cards..why premenpt opening hand.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 why premenpt opening hand.. Because opps will be put to a difficult decision. Not saying that it has no disadvantages, just trying to answer your question. I agree with phil that my "all seats, all forms of scoring" was a little over the top, but I'd definitely open 5♦ almost always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 I would hate 4 Diamond. I try 5 Diamond too, 1 Diamond close second choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 1♦ if I am better than opps, 5♦ otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 1♦, because you can't play 3N (or 4♠) after opening 5♦. Can you give us an example of an auction where you'd pass 3NT or 4♠ after opening 1♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 1♦ if I am better than opps, 5♦ otherwise. :ph34r: Amen Fluffy. Little known basic rule. Walk the dog against weaker players. Preempt better players. Holds for other types of hands as well. In short, if they are good: "makem guess". If they are bad, "makem figure it out". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim420 Posted November 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 The hand you've been waiting for so long - Diamond loses forever, at least to hearts :( The bidding just went like the stock market. Overbidding like madness and when people start to realize the hand isn't worth the contract, the reality came crashing down I wouldn't even tell you what position I was in, lol [hv=d=n&v=n&n=skj6hdkqj97432ct5&w=s9875ht85d5caq642&e=sahqj9732d86cj873&s=sqt432hak64datck9]399|300|Scoring: IMPW N E S- 5♦ 5♥ 6♦6♥ 7♦ X PP P lead ♠A7♦xN-4[/hv] Comments plz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Comments plz... Too many "WOW" bids to go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 5♦ was a good bid but this is not universally accepted as you have seen. Every other bid was bad, there will be little or no controversy about this.edit: this is not to say every bid is equally bad but I did not want to be very explicit. In particular 7♦ is idiotic 5♥ is ridiculous 6♦ is unrealistic and 6♥ is out of this world. Well the double of 7♦ was good but that is technically not a bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Happy I was not North or East. Happy my partner was not North or East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Comments plz... 5♦ is fine as dealer nv. 5♥ is silly. 6♦ - not my favorite either, but not as bad as others, especially of you think a heart is led. Very hard to evaluate opposite a 5♦ opener. Intelligent defense tracks the ♠A and they take three tricks. Maybe pard won the board with the 5♦ opener so x and take the cash. 6♥ is bad, but not as bad as 5♥. 7♦ is just plain stupid. Partnerships break up over lesser calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 The hand you've been waiting for so long - Diamond loses forever, at least to hearts :( The bidding just went like the stock market. Overbidding like madness and when people start to realize the hand isn't worth the contract, the reality came crashing down I wouldn't even tell you what position I was in, lol Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ KJ6 ♥ [space] ♦ KQJ97432 ♣ T5 ♠ 9875 ♥ T85 ♦ 5 ♣ AQ642 ♠ A ♥ QJ9732 ♦ 86 ♣ J873 ♠ QT432 ♥ AK64 ♦ AT ♣ K9 W N E S- 5♦ 5♥ 6♦6♥ 7♦ X PP P lead ♠A7♦xN-4 Comments plz... I agree with the 5♦ bid, even if many others disagree with it. After that, we have entered the twilight zone. 5♥ was bizarre. 6♦ is only justified if it makes. I don't know why South thinks it should make. Maybe they need 11 tricks in hand to open 5♦. Double makes far more sense than 6♦. However, as the Hog once said, no bid is truly bad if it provokes the opponents into making a worse bid. Which leads us to... 6♥ was bizarre. 7♦ was beyond bizarre. I suspect that South would have known what to do if 6♥ came back to him (and I don't mean bid 7♦). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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