Fluffy Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 ♠K98732♥A97♦A♣A62 NS Vul, MPs, South dealer 1♠-1NT (forcing)?? if you try that 2♣ thingie partner will bid 2♠ are you raising it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I would just bid 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggieb Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Definitely 2♣ instead of 2♠, also definitely pass partner's preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I don't see how anything is definite, but 2♣ is a fair choice especially since it helps if you belong in hearts. Over partner's preference I think it's very close between pass and 3♥ (for me definitely a 3 card suit, I wouldn't bid 2♣ on 5404). I'll lean to bidding because of the good controls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I don't see how anything is definite, but 2♣ is a fair choice especially since it helps if you belong in hearts. Over partner's preference I think it's very close between pass and 3♥ (for me definitely a 3 card suit, I wouldn't bid 2♣ on 5404). I'll lean to bidding because of the good controls. I don't understand 3♥. We have found our fit, and when we are inviting game we should tell partner about it. He will be much better placed to make a decision when he thinks we have a 6xx4 or 6xx3 16-count, rather than a 5314 17-18 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I think this is a fairly routine 2♠ call. You'd have to weaken my spades or strengthen my clubs to consider 2♣. I hope no one suggests 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 3♥ sounds interesting but I just thought about 3♠ (after 2♣-2♠, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 ♠K98732♥A97♦A♣A62 NS Vul, MPs, South dealer 1♠-1NT (forcing)?? if you try that 2♣ thingie partner will bid 2♠ are you raising it? since F1NT I would go slow with 2♣ planning on 3♥/2 and 3♠/2♠ over 2♦ haven't decided if 2♠ or 3♦ is best Edit -- Not being able to see the hand while posing I must have thought the hand was 6333 :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I think this is a fairly routine 2♠ call. You'd have to weaken my spades or strengthen my clubs to consider 2♣. I hope no one suggests 3♠. I would rather bid 3♠ than 2♠ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I don't see how anything is definite, but 2♣ is a fair choice especially since it helps if you belong in hearts. Over partner's preference I think it's very close between pass and 3♥ (for me definitely a 3 card suit, I wouldn't bid 2♣ on 5404). I'll lean to bidding because of the good controls. I don't understand 3♥. We have found our fit, and when we are inviting game we should tell partner about it. He will be much better placed to make a decision when he thinks we have a 6xx4 or 6xx3 16-count, rather than a 5314 17-18 count. I don't think that's true at all. He will go back to spades anyway with four hearts so I see no reason not to tell him where his values will be useful or to help him bid 3NT if he thinks it's best. I think the argument about showing 1 more card vs 3 more cards applies here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I think our most likely game is 4♠, but partner will be very hesitant to bid that unless you show him we have 6 spades. He may go back to 3♠ rather than bidding 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I would try 2c here, BART may help now. Now over 2s by pard I will try 3s. Pass second choice. Pard will have around 4-7 with 3spades or up to 9 highs with 2 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellache Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 ♠K98732♥A97♦A♣A62 NS Vul, MPs, South dealer 1♠-1NT (forcing)?? if you try that 2♣ thingie partner will bid 2♠ are you raising it?No, I pass, I'm glad with that at MP. I hate stiff Aces.BTW that's why I play some kind of gazzilli on those sequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I hope no one suggests 3♠. I do, but if not vulnerable. The reason is I gladly open 1♠ with 10 HCP not vulnerable, but I do open 2♠ vulnerable sometimes with 11. Wich means different ranges, and too wide to bid 2♠ then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I'm with Phil that 3♠ is lol. It doesn't matter how light you open since you will just go down in 3♠ a lot, especially with a suit this awful if partner has a singleton. Besides it's clear 2♠ should have a wider range than 3♠ since you have room for further invites over 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 yeah but 10-15 its not 12-15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 2C is fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 yeah but 10-15 its not 12-15. You have 15 B) Actually 10-15 and 16-18 (approximately) are perfect because then everything is a 3 point range. Partner can invite over 2♠ so your ranges are 10-12, 13-15, 16-18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I prefer 12-15 and 16-17 for 2 point range hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 2♣ and pass 2♠. Quite close to another move playing standard but not if using Bart as he'll bid 2♦ on the hands that are normally a maximum 2♠ preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 partner held ♠Ax♥Q10xx♦Jxx♣K10xx I made 10 easy tricks, but 11 where avaible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Bidding 3S is completely hopeless with this suit. If you are going to drive to the 3 level you can bid 2C then bid again. If you get passed in 2C it will definitely be better than playing in 3S so that is not even a concern. 2C allows you to find hearts or clubs, or stop in 2S when partner is bidding 2D over 2C, and does not overstate your spade suit. Partner will routinely raise you with a stiff honor if you bid 3S on this hand. Obviously if he has to allow for you to have a crappy suit he won't bid 3N, but then you will be losing out on all the times he guesses to bid 3N instead of 4M and is wrong. Not to mention losing out all the times you are in some hopeless 3S contract with 4 trump losers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 partner held ♠Ax♥Q10xx♦Jxx♣K10xx I made 10 easy tricks, but 11 where avaible. Of course playing BART a pretty common expert convention, pard can never hold this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Call me agricultural if you like, but without any sophisticated methods I'd bid 1♠-1NT 2♠-3♠ 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I hope p didn't bid 2S with this hand?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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