kgr Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=skxhkqjtxxdcaqtxx]133|100|[/hv]To start; What do you open:1♥: 5c Majors3♦: preempt ♥, GF ♠ or GF ♥ and minor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Just 1H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Just 1HIf you start with 1♥ it continous:1♥-(2♦!)-(3♦!)-3♥!??2♦!=♦ and ♠, mostly better ♦ then ♠, strength like 1-level overcall.3♦!=limit raise ♥3♥!=limit raise ♠ (Why start 1♥ iso 3♦?: not strong enough; or the 6c♥ that will be more difficult to show?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 to open 3♦ you have to have the hand very well defined as Ben used to do on Mishry. A precise number of losers is needed since your next bid is probably gonna be 5♣ and partner will have to guess everything in one bid. And he needs to know if 1 keycard is worth slam or he needs 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 On the bidding you gave I think 5♦ is clear if you don't play voidwood. Partner will know that 2 keycards outside diamonds is avobe average and 1 keycard is below acting consequently. If you play exclusion/voidwood you can only bid 4♦ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 (Why start 1♥ iso 3♦?: not strong enough; or the 6c♥ that will be more difficult to show?) Yeah KQJTxx is playable opposite a stiff, I think it will be hard for partner to know that. I also think we will be better placed if we open 1H than 3D, our hand is not so good that we can open 3D and handle competition effectively. Like I don't want to be forced to bid on 3D 3S p 4S for instance since our hand is not that good. After 3H since we are red/white it is possible that we should just go slowly and try to buy it as cheap as possible to deter a 6S save. We should have good defense against 6S though, especially if LHO bids it and we get 2 diamond ruffs. I would just play it straight and bid 5D exclusion, figuring slam will be odds on if partner has 1 ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 On the bidding you gave I think 5♦ is clear if you don't play voidwood. Partner will know that 2 keycards outside diamonds is avobe average and 1 keycard is below acting consequently. If you play exclusion/voidwood you can only bid 4♦ now. Huh? Why does he need 2 keycards or are you counting the CK as a keycard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 if 5♦ shows diamond void and nothing else yes. on exclusion I guess no, he will just autoanswers without judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sjxxhaxxxdqxxckjx&s=skxhkqjtxxdcaqtxx]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]1♥-(2♦!)-(3♦!)-3♥!DBL-(3♠)-Pass-(Pass)4♣-(pass)-4♥-4♠5♣-(Pass)-5♥-All Pass 2♦!=♦ and ♠, mostly better ♦ then ♠, strength like 1-level overcall.3♦!=limit raise ♥3♥!=limit raise ♠ Making 7 after a ♦ lead. I wanted to bid slow and kind of hoped that they didn't save or mabe DBLed me. But I did bid too (s)low :rolleyes: .What did I show with bidding 1♥..DBL..4♣..5♣and what is the difference with 1♥...4♣...5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 idk kgr you play 3♦ as GF ♥+m, did you not discuss what it shows? if it can be as weak as this, then open 3♦. if not, don't. I think it's too weak, in that you could easily have two more aces and bid the same way. well I mean open the same way. I have no idea what the follow-ups are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 I use double as a bad suit of hearts asking partner not to lead ♥ against 5♦. I tell you I'd bid 5♦ instead of double hoping partner evaluates my void. He has a balanced hand with not much wasted in diamonds, he would have a close decision. Slam is cold because of ♣J and only 3 spades in dummy. But if he missed something of those we would rather have ♠Q in dummy as well. How did you make 13 tricks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Slam is cold because of ♣J and only 3 spades in dummy. But if he missed something of those we would rather have ♠Q in dummy as well. How did you make 13 tricks? Probably spade held, drew trumps and ruffed the last spade in dummy, taking 6 hearts, 5 clubs, a spade and a spade ruff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 How did you make 13 tricks? Sorry, partner had ♣KJ and a ♦ more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 How did you make 13 tricks? Sorry, partner had ♣KJ and a ♦ more.You have a 3 loser hand, and partner has shown a limit raise ( or better ) for Hts, you are ready to ask for key cards via 5D! exclusion. [ You have 2nd Rnd Ctrl or better in all side suits for protection from an opening lead] . The 5-level should be of minimal concern.You can still stop at 5H if partner has none ( 5H = 0 or 3 ) or 6H when he shows 1 key ( 5S! ).If he has a "wasted" value in Diam, you will be able to pitch a losing Sp. I'm afraid the "slow approach" backfired on this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Dealer: South Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP ♠ Jxx ♥ Axxx ♦ Qxx ♣ KJx ♠ Kx ♥ KQJTxx ♦ [space] ♣ AQTxx 1♥-(2♦!)-(3♦!)-3♥!DBL-(3♠)-Pass-(Pass)4♣-(pass)-4♥-4♠5♣-(Pass)-5♥-All Pass 2♦!=♦ and ♠, mostly better ♦ then ♠, strength like 1-level overcall.3♦!=limit raise ♥3♥!=limit raise ♠ Making 7 after a ♦ lead. I wanted to bid slow and kind of hoped that they didn't save or mabe DBLed me. But I did bid too (s)low :) .What did I show with bidding 1♥..DBL..4♣..5♣and what is the difference with 1♥...4♣...5♣D then 4♣ is a cuebid, while a direct 4♣ would show a suit (but not necessarily a strong hand, since there would (or should be) no force after 4♠ by the opps). 4♣ then 5♣ would be a 2-suited slam try imo. This is a possible approach with this hand, while the chosen sequence (double first) doesn't show a club suit but seems to suggest ♣AK. But I think the best, practical approach here is to shoot for the slam after partner's limit raise. 5♦ exclusion to perhaps find a grand (5♦-5N-6♣!) or stay low opposite an unlikely 0 keycards. Even if we normally play 1430, exclusion must be 0314 since 1 keycard is usually enough in these situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Just 1HDoes GF mean we can't play partner to hold Q♠ & J♣ or are we too worried about partner going overboard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 GF with hearts and a minor sounds like a reasonable discribtion. with kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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