MFA Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 I goofed this one last night, but the tactical situation is interesting and very unusual. [hv=d=w&v=b&s=st9875432hq652dc8]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] (2♦) - 2♥ - (pass) - ?? 2♦ was multi. Weak two in ♥ or ♠, 22-24 bal, or strong Acol in ♦.2♥ was a natural overcall limited by the failure to X+bid (about 17+). What is your bid now? And do you have a plan if west is about to bid diamonds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 4♠, opps are cold for 6♦ and besides they can't double is with diamonds because double shows the balanced version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 So opener still can have both strong hands. I would go for 4 HEart and bid 5 Heart over 5 diamond only in the passout seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 "4♠, opps are cold for 6♦" Why are they cold for 6D? Anyway I agree with 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 This seems like a good time to violate the "don't put down an 8 card suit in dummy" rule; I would bid 4H. Am I scared partner will play me for more, and double 5D? No I'm really not, once opener is exposed as a strong 2 in diamonds I can't see partner doubling him very aggressively. I think he will work out we have a hand mainly based on shape (no cuebid, he has a good hand, and his RHO has a strong 2 in diamonds..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 I'd bid 4♠, then 5♥ on the next round, even if partner doubles 5♦. Partner's going to assume I have a normal hand for whatever action I take. If I bid 4♥, he'll expect that his short spade honours are useful in defence; if I bid 4♠, he'll expect that his heart honours are standing up. Since his evaluation of our defensive prospects against 5♦ is unlikely to be right, I'm going to make the decision for him. By bidding both suits and simultaneously implying a poor hand, I hope to guide him to the correct decision against 6♦, if it comes to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 I goofed this one last night, but the tactical situation is interesting and very unusual. [hv=d=w&v=b&s=st9875432hq652dc8]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] (2♦) - 2♥ - (pass) - ?? 2♦ was multi. Weak two in ♥ or ♠, 22-24 bal, or strong Acol in ♦.2♥ was a natural overcall limited by the failure to X+bid (about 17+). What is your bid now? And do you have a plan if west is about to bid diamonds? 4♠ and over 5♦ I bid 5♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 4♥. I don't understand the 4♠ bids TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Anything could be right here. (A 3♠ splinter could work well. :lol:) I would give the opponents a good chance to pick the wrong contract. I would bid a meek 3♥. I hope that LHO will accept the "transfer to 3NT". I won't bid 4♥. In that case LHO will bid 5♦ and RHO will be able to judge whether he should bid 6♦. Anyway, whatever I do, I will stay out of the auction from there on. (And I hope partner will do the same.) Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 sideline: isn't 2♦-2♥-p-3♠ natural and forcing? because we need 2♠ to be an unassuming cue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Yeah Csaba that sounds right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 I bid 4♠. I'm worried about setting up spades in 4♥ after they start by making dummy ruff something. Also I think I'm more likely to be doubled in spades, which I want (well I think I want it). And like the others if west bids 5♦ I go to 5♥ even if partner doubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 4♥. I don't understand the 4♠ bids TBH. I wouldnt have, either, without Gnasher having posted previously ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 sideline: isn't 2♦-2♥-p-3♠ natural and forcing? because we need 2♠ to be an unassuming cue?I am certainly not the only one who follows the following rule in defense to Multi:If our partnership shows one major then we automatically put the other major in the hands of the 2♦ opener.If you follow that rule then 2♠ is a cue (typically LROB), 3♠ a splinter and 4♠ exclusion. Please don't ask what 5♠ would be. I know that it is certainly possible that overcaller has a good 5 card heart suit when the multibidder has 6 decent cards in that same suit. But the probability that the Multi bidder has spades are high enough to count on it when you design your defense. On the one board where you go wrong, you will just need to except the bad board. (You can't score worse than a 0 and you can't lose more than 24 IMPs.) As a matter of fact, I used to play Rainbow 2♦ (weak: 5M+4(+)m or strong options). Once, vul at IMPs, I had a big 6043 hand when my partner opened 2♦. I was sure her major was hearts. I decided to ask for her minor and make a slam try if it was diamonds. Partner had clubs, so I signed off in 3NT. LHO leads a 3rd / 5th heart and partner puts down a 5224 hand, with 5 spades and QT doubleton in hearts. We missed a stone cold 7♠! And I was playing 3NT where the opponents lead their combined 11 card holding where we didn't have a stopper! When I regain my composure, I call for the ♥T. RHO looks at this for a while and ducks! (He thought it was a 3rd best lead when it actually was 5th.) I make 3NT and save a few IMPs. So, I know 6+5 is possible, but I wouldn't base my defensive system on it. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted October 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 sideline: isn't 2♦-2♥-p-3♠ natural and forcing? because we need 2♠ to be an unassuming cue?I am certainly not the only one who follows the following rule in defense to Multi:If our partnership shows one major then we automatically put the other major in the hands of the 2♦ opener.If you follow that rule then 2♠ is a cue (typically LROB), 3♠ a splinter and 4♠ exclusion. Please don't ask what 5♠ would be.I use Rik's principle, but as to 4♠ a different principle prevails. A jump to 4M in the first round of bidding is always natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 sideline: isn't 2♦-2♥-p-3♠ natural and forcing? because we need 2♠ to be an unassuming cue?I am certainly not the only one who follows the following rule in defense to Multi:If our partnership shows one major then we automatically put the other major in the hands of the 2♦ opener.If you follow that rule then 2♠ is a cue (typically LROB), 3♠ a splinter and 4♠ exclusion. Please don't ask what 5♠ would be.I use Rik's principle, but as to 4♠ a different principle prevails. A jump to 4M in the first round of bidding is always natural. That would certainly be sensible. It would also be more useful than exclusion. But we still agree that 3♠ would be a splinter. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted November 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=b&n=skqhaj9xxdxxcajxx&w=shkdakqtxxxxckqxx&e=sajxht8xdjxxct9xx&s=st98xxxxxhq6xxdcx]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] This was the layout. Not my brightest efford. I chose 4♥, and when it continued 5♦ - huddle pass - huddle pass, I let it go there, since I didn't know what to think. Partner led the ♠K of course :) I think that 4♠ followed by 5♥ is right. 5♠ makes, and we should get there. Selling with 8-4 is just utterly pathetic :rolleyes:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Dealer: West Vul: Both Scoring: IMP ♠ KQ ♥ AJ9xx ♦ xx ♣ AJxx ♠ [space] ♥ K ♦ AKQTxxxx ♣ KQxx ♠ AJx ♥ T8x ♦ Jxx ♣ T9xx ♠ T98xxxxx ♥ Q6xx ♦ [space] ♣ x This was the layout. Not my brightest efford. I chose 4♥, and when it continued 5♦ - huddle pass - huddle pass, I let it go there, since I didn't know what to think. Partner led the ♠K of course :) I think that 4♠ followed by 5♥ is right. 5♠ makes, and we should get there. Selling with 8-4 is just utterly pathetic :rolleyes:.Just wondering: What do you do with your 8-4 if they bid to 6♦? Would you sell then? Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Just wondering: What do you do with your 8-4 if they bid to 6♦? Would you sell then? Rik Of course. You bid a ton at first because you are 8-4, but in that context having already bid a lot you have bad suits and have told your story. Partner will know if he has big fits for one/both of your suits and can make the final decision. North will certainly choose to defend, and probably get the lead right against slam as well (in fact I think there is a good case he should have anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I think that (2D) 2H (pass) 3S should be natural. Sometimes you have good hand, so having a forcing spade bid is useful. With a splinter you can bid 2S followed by 3S. And you're much better placed than in the other room, where the auction started with a 2S opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Did anyone pay attention to the final multi option - a strong 2 in Ds? Based on my 8 spades and my D void, I would bet of course that that is what opener had, so the H/S question does not enter into the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Did anyone pay attention to the final multi option - a strong 2 in Ds? Based on my 8 spades and my D void, I would bet of course that that is what opener had, so the H/S question does not enter into the equation. i was just wondering, of course everybody knows lho is diamonds. (i thought my post was somewhat clear because i started it with the word "sideline") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Did anyone pay attention to the final multi option - a strong 2 in Ds? Based on my 8 spades and my D void, I would bet of course that that is what opener had, so the H/S question does not enter into the equation. Yes, everybody thinks that opener has diamonds. Did you notice that it was LHO who opened the Multi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Well you can't rule out LHO as 22-24 balanced either, we do have a 2 count after all. But certainly he is on a strong hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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