plaur Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=st93ha32dk532ca92]133|100|Scoring: IMPp-p-p-1♣?[/hv]How would you rate a takeout double here(you passed in first hand)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I rate it as bad. And I'm usually the one doubling on the 4333 hands when others are passing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I think it'd have to improve to get to "bad." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I might do it with 44 in the majors.I might do it with 14-16 hcp, and no wasted values in clubs.I would certainly do it with short clubs (i.e. some distribution). The green card is underutilized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I would rate it poor even for a passed hand double - no shape, no shortness, no majors, no tricks, scattered values. Any bad result stemming from it would be 100% my fault and I can imagine they play the hand and "guess" everything right, courtesy of my double. Alternately, we play it in some 4-3 fit and go down, possibly doubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDluxe Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 The green card is underutilized. There's a green card? :) re: the OP - I rate a takeout dbl here as bad, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I think it'd have to improve to get to "bad." This is hard to argue with ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I would be happy to bet that Meckstroth would double. Ok, impossible bet, he would have opened. Anyway, I would double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I think it'd have to improve to get to "bad." Actually I disagree. It's far from awful. I agree with cherdanno, there are in fact a number of experts who would double. Bramley is the std example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Playing with myself I would pass. But playing with any normal person I would double all day just to get in there and encourage partner to bid a suit if he can so we can compete. It is not very risky at all and gets your side in cheap. It is very unlikely to even help them play the hand, and in fact is more likely to get them to misplay the hand. The reason I would pass playing with myself is I rate not to have modest values and a 5 card suit to pass in third seat w/r. Still possible though if my suit was bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hi, I would pass. If you regular make a t/o with 4333 and and 12-14 HCP as an unpassed hand, assuming you dont have wasted values in there suit, a style which is playable, than I would say, why not? We usually dont make t/o with 4333, but if I would start,than the given hand would be a perfect candidate. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I would pass. A double doesn't take up any space and if pard has a one level overcall, he might be able to make it. If LHO bids 1N they have advertised no-fit and I do not want to get involved. If we do have a fit and they bid 1N, it represents a source of tricks for us and we might be beating 1N. If LHO bids 1M and RHO passes, now I'll x. By the way, I'm the last person to ask about this. I really hate textureless 4333 hands for offense and it seems I have remembered the poor results I've received by bidding and the good results by passing than v.v.. On balance I probably do not compete enough on hands like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 w/r I would have opened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I rate it as bad. And I'm usually the one doubling on the 4333 hands when others are passing too. Boy, I thought I had the ugliest avatar. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 With some partners, 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 With some partners, 1NT. OMG GRABBIT!!!!!!!! Brings me back Ken! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 With some partners, 1NT. OMG GRABBIT!!!!!!!! Brings me back Ken! Yep -- my wife thinks "grabbit" is a normal convention, just like "stayman" or "drury." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=st93ha32dk532ca92]133|100|Scoring: IMPp-p-p-1♣?[/hv]How would you rate a takeout double here(you passed in first hand)? an obvious Kamakazi X <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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