SriNT Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Uncontested auction: 1NT-2H-2S-3C-3D? 1NT=15-7 2H=Jacoby Transfer What does 3D mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Cuebid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Values, worry about a spade stopper when partner doesn't have help there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMB1 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Uncertainty about strain: ♦ values, doubt about ♥, not ♠ support. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Could be natural, especially with weak hearts. Ax Jxx AQJxx Kxx for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SriNT Posted October 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 ok, and how about 3H, same? something like AQ KQTx 9xxx AJx is possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 ok, and how about 3H, same? something like AQ KQTx 9xxx AJx is possible? Yes. 3H could be a hand with 5 hearts, or a positive hand for clubs with heart values and not diamond values, or 2443 with no diamond stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SriNT Posted October 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 So you would bid 3H with Ax KJ9xx AJx Qx? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SriNT Posted October 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 sorry Ax KJ9xx AJx Qxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMB1 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 So you would bid 3H with Ax KJ9xx AJx Qxx?No. I would be afraid that we will go past 3NT when partner has not got diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SriNT Posted October 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Maybe i misread jlall's comma. So he probably meant "(a hand with 5 hearts or a positive hand for clubs with heart values) AND no diamond values Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Maybe i misread jlall's comma. So he probably meant "(a hand with 5 hearts or a positive hand for clubs with heart values) AND no diamond values You didn't misread. I would bid 3H when I had 5 hearts unless I had diamonds very solidly stopped like AQJ or I had very weak hearts (in which case I'd probably have good diamonds anyways). Partner can bid 3S over 3H which I don't think shows 6-4 necessarily and just shows a punt at that point with no diamond stop and no heart fit. If partner was 5215 he would probably go past 3N but that is good anyways if our diamonds are just AJx. And I really don't want to get to 3N opposite 5314 or 5305. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SriNT Posted October 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Seems to be a tradeoff between finding the best game vs finding a slam. When you use 3D/3H as a cuebid, much easier to find a c slam, when you use it as stopper showing or length showing (i.e 5 in a major), much harder to find the slam, but possibly find the better game when you don't have stoppers in a suit. for e.g xx AKxx Axx AQxx vs AKxxxx x xx KJxx, 7C would be almost impossible to reach, even 6C maybe tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Seems to be a tradeoff between finding the best game vs finding a slam. When you use 3D/3H as a cuebid, much easier to find a c slam, when you use it as stopper showing or length showing (i.e 5 in a major), much harder to find the slam, but possibly find the better game when you don't have stoppers in a suit. for e.g xx AKxx Axx AQxx vs AKxxxx x xx KJxx, 7C would be almost impossible to reach, even 6C maybe tough. It would be easy to find 6C opposite this hand. 7C would be tough but it is not a good 7! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 It depends, I guess, on agreements. FWIW, mine: If Responder's minor is clubs, three of the other major by Opener is natural with five, whereas 3♦ agrees clubs below 3NT. If Responder's minor is diamonds, three of the other major agrees diamonds below 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 I don't normally open 1NT with a five card major and would play that anything except 3♠ or 3NT shows club support. If opener does want to bid a major naturally, something like Ken's agreement sounds good. This alternative is Justin's suggestion, that you could bid 3♦ on Ax Jxx AQJxx Kxx, with a heart problem but without primary support for either of responder' suits. This will gain on the hands where responder has enough in spades or clubs to make game there when hearts aren't stopped but will lose when you have Ax Jxx AQJx Kxxx and responder needs to know about the fourth club to play a club game (or slam) and otherwise signs off in 3NT (eg Kxxxx Ax Kx Axxx). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Uncontested auction: 1NT-2H-2S-3C-3D? 1NT=15-7 2H=Jacoby Transfer What does 3D mean? well I think it should be a qbid in support of ♣. why not ♠? To differentiate between slam bidding I play the 1NT caller has to show support with 3♠ before qbidding starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 This alternative is Justin's suggestion, that you could bid 3♦ on Ax Jxx AQJxx Kxx That's it. I'm getting name tags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Uncontested auction: 1NT-2H-2S-3C-3D? 1NT=15-7 2H=Jacoby Transfer What does 3D mean? cuebid, agree clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 This alternative is Justin's suggestion, that you could bid 3♦ on Ax Jxx AQJxx Kxx That's it. I'm getting name tags.Why John? Everyone should know your poetry particularly "For Whom the Bell Tolls" :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 This alternative is Justin's suggestion, that you could bid 3♦ on Ax Jxx AQJxx Kxx That's it. I'm getting name tags.Why John? Everyone should know your poetry particularly "For Whom the Bell Tolls" :) Do you like my new name tag? Now no one will get it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Semi-natural. No spade support. Stopper diamonds, but no stopper hearts. Now 3♥ by responder would show a half-stopper.Can also be a control-showing bid with club support, but this would only become clear when opener bids on after responders 3NT. Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Of course this is all a good case for 2nd round transfers. How nice to play, over 2NT showing clubs, 3♣: Clubs3♦: Diamonds3♥: Hearts3♠: Spades Sometimes artificial bidding is simpler after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Of course this is all a good case for 2nd round transfers. How nice to play, over 2NT showing clubs, 3♣: Clubs3♦: Diamonds3♥: Hearts3♠: Spades Sometimes artificial bidding is simpler after all. I'd have trouble remembering that structure. It might be easier if Opener criss-crossed: 3♣ = diamonds3♦ = clubs3♥ = spades3♠ = hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Of course this is all a good case for 2nd round transfers. How nice to play, over 2NT showing clubs, 3♣: Clubs3♦: Diamonds3♥: Hearts3♠: Spades Sometimes artificial bidding is simpler after all. I'd have trouble remembering that structure. It might be easier if Opener criss-crossed: 3♣ = diamonds3♦ = clubs3♥ = spades3♠ = hearts Thats an improvement, but not optimal. Wouldn't it be best to try and save space for the hands that most need it?3♣ spades3♦ clubs while 3♥ diamonds3♠ heartssince hearts need less space as can signoff in 4♥, while 3♥ gives more room to signoff in 3NT. [note-above intended as a joke] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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