gwnn Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 imps favorable xxxAKQxxxxAJx- 1♥-1♠-p-p? The guy I kibbed maneuvered this hand very nicely and should have gotten a nice result. How would you bid it? edit: I don't actually agree the way the guy tried but he was definitely rewarded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 2H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 2H or 3H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 I try 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 2♥?!?!?!? I'll bid 4♥. At first I was going to say 3♥ is fine, but the more I think about it the less I think so. Partner will never know a diamond honor is huge but a club honor is useless, so I think it's pointless to make some invitational bid and expect him to make a reasonable evaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyams Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 At the table, I'd probably bid 3H with this hand. However, I was wondering if a re-opening double will be better. Partner is most unlikely to have a penalty pass and will surely bid. We then follow up with a cheapest bid in hearts? We need to know where partner's values are to determine right level... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Any honours in clubs or spades, outside of the ace of spades, in partner's hands are likely of no help to me. The K or Q of diamonds seems to be a small target to shoot at. Especially when the queen might not be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 I'm in for 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 2♥?!?!?!? I'll bid 4♥. At first I was going to say 3♥ is fine, but the more I think about it the less I think so. Partner will never know a diamond honor is huge but a club honor is useless, so I think it's pointless to make some invitational bid and expect him to make a reasonable evaluation. If you are going to game why don't you try for slam and self-splinter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggieb Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 3♥ seems right, I have a hard time believing that we will miss too many games by bidding 3♥. On the hands where 3♥ is already down, bidding 4♥ risks going for a digit. I also don't think 4♥ has a great tactical upside to it, so overall I think it's just an overbid. 2♥ is just nonsense though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 3S! ( stop-ask ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 3♥ seems right, I have a hard time believing that we will miss too many games by bidding 3♥. On the hands where 3♥ is already down, bidding 4♥ risks going for a digit. I also don't think 4♥ has a great tactical upside to it, so overall I think it's just an overbid. 2♥ is just nonsense though. You may be right, regarding 3♥/4♥ and missing games. But I think there is a fair tactical upside to 4♥, as there seems to be a reasonable chance the overcaller has a good hand with spades and clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggieb Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 3♥ seems right, I have a hard time believing that we will miss too many games by bidding 3♥. On the hands where 3♥ is already down, bidding 4♥ risks going for a digit. I also don't think 4♥ has a great tactical upside to it, so overall I think it's just an overbid. 2♥ is just nonsense though. You may be right, regarding 3♥/4♥ and missing games. But I think there is a fair tactical upside to 4♥, as there seems to be a reasonable chance the overcaller has a good hand with spades and clubs. Sure, but he didn't bid Michaels, so he probably has at most 4 clubs. Unless his partner has 6, I'd say that any number of clubs they bid is likely to be bad for them, especially since I wasn't even particularly convinced I could make 3♥ or 4♥. Consequently I considered the "avoiding a club save" factor to be more or less a wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 3♥ looks like the right value bid. I'm not going to drive myself nuts with permutations about what the other three players might or might not have, which is tertiary at best, and irrelevant at worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Guess I'll cast the first vote for 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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