suokko Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 To get back on topic, the feelings about that match report are similar to some we've seen here regarding putting junior championships on Vugraph. No one expects even the best juniors to exhibit the same level of skill as Meckwell, Fantunes, etc. Vugraph commentators should consider the class of players when commenting on their play. Not a problem in European youth events. We have Hedy commenting for youth players! :( But playing in a vugraph table is clearly problem for many (including my self). When I have been operating I would think that over half of players visiting vugraph make more simple mistakes in vugraph table (maybe trying too much and failing to see simple solutions). So for many players excepted score in vugraph table is worse than if same game would be played without operator next to the table. I think that above problem doesn't affect me (at least less than my opponents). But another problem clearly affected me in the last May in Tallinn bridge festival. After playing all rounds except first two in vugraph in swiss pairs I was completely drained in Sunday (preliminary pairs Thu, Fri-Sat teams, Sat-Sun pairs). I was more tired than ever before from playing bridge. I felt pretty much same as after ultra long distance orienteering competition (Winner time more than 2 and half hours; and my time about 4 hours)I made a lot of simple mistakes in Sunday. Luckily it wasn't enough to destroy our good score from Saturday. So for person who is not naturally ready to play in front of public needs a lot training before can play well in vugraph. My option is that in "top flight" events vugraph should be mandatory for who ever is set to play there. But in lower events teams or pairs could request before competition that they don't have to play in vugraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoAnneM Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 You all act like "stage fright" is something that can be turned on or off. Even Barbara Striesand suffers so much from stage fright that she can't give large concerts. People who have these issues should be accommodated, not treated with disdain. I, by the way, am not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbr Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 The First Amendment has to do with freedom of speech, religion and the press. The Second Amendment pertains to the right to keep and bear arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 You all act like "stage fright" is something that can be turned on or off. Even Barbara Striesand suffers so much from stage fright that she can't give large concerts. People who have these issues should be accommodated, not treated with disdain. I, by the way, am not one of them. If a stage fright affected person needs accommodation, I am certain it will be given and there would be no problem! However, that person should have the common sense to request the accommodation in advance, not in the middle of the event. TD's have other things to do than waste time in re-arranging table assignments in a significant event (significant enough to be broadcast). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cicus Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 You all act like "stage fright" is something that can be turned on or off. Even Barbara Striesand suffers so much from stage fright that she can't give large concerts. People who have these issues should be accommodated, not treated with disdain. I, by the way, am not one of them. If a stage fright affected person needs accommodation, I am certain it will be given and there would be no problem! However, that person should have the common sense to request the accommodation in advance, not in the middle of the event. TD's have other things to do than waste time in re-arranging table assignments in a significant event (significant enough to be broadcast). I'm glad you allow me a leeway... alas, in practice the conditions of contest always force me to agree with either playing in vugraph or not participating in that particular tournament. At least I have never seen a CoC allowing me to declare in advance that I am not wishing to play in vugraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 In both times I've played in the Junior Camrose, we've all been asked if we have any objections to being shown on vugraph. I'd imagine that if anyone had objected, either that pair wouldn't play when the team is due on vugraph or the presentation would be shifted onto the other match. Of course, we were asked before it started (either the night before or the morning). The CoC only said that there will be vugraph broadcasting. In Romania, we weren't asked if we had any objections, though it was probably a given that there would be no problem. As it was, it wouldn't have mattered as we (as a team) were the ones to ask to be put on. As for what my opinion of it is, I think there should be no problem with refusing to be on vugraph, as long as there is notice given (say an hour before the start of session). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 You all act like "stage fright" is something that can be turned on or off. Even Barbara Striesand suffers so much from stage fright that she can't give large concerts. People who have these issues should be accommodated, not treated with disdain. I, by the way, am not one of them. Remember that when you play bridge you already have three spectators who -after hand is over- will know exactly what you did wrong. In many cases, they will even point out to you what you did wrong this time. If there are spectators at the table, they will know what mistakes you made. And I wouldn't want to count the number of spectator that have also voiced (rightly or wrongly) what mistakes I or an other player at the table made. So when you play on Vuegraph, you will get some extra spectators. But at least you don't hear them. They can't distract you from the play. Actually, the Vuegraph table is rarely on a stage. On many occasions I would say that claustrophobia would be a better excuse for refusing to play on Vuegraph than stagefright. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 At least I have never seen a CoC allowing me to declare in advance that I am not wishing to play in vugraph. Have you tried asking in advance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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