Cascade Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sh983dkq98743cak5]133|100|Scoring: IMP(4♥) PASS (PASS) ?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 5D, what else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 5D, what else? The club suit has more HCP's though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Didn't a hand like this start one of the biggest forum wars of all time, foo passing vs everyone else bidding when it turned out passing was right? Anyway 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 5D, what else? The club suit has more HCP's though. Points Shmoints. We have 5 of the top 8 diamonds, and only 2 of the top 8 clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 5D, what else? The club suit has more HCP's though. Points Shmoints. We have 5 of the top 8 diamonds, and only 2 of the top 8 clubs. Yes, but clubs will be easier to play. In clubs, you probably pull trumps by playing Ace, King, and out. No finesses. In diamonds, you have all sorts of decisions to make, missing the A-J-10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 5D, what else? yeah 4♥ preempts are routinely transfer bids B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 (4♥) PASS (PASS) 5♦(PASS) PASS (DBL) PASS(5♥) PASS (PASS) ? I assume the second round PASS was ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I have no clue what this auction is, if they were bad maybe I'd spite double, but in general if partner can't double them no way am I with this hand. If partner is good I expect them to go down 1, but that doesn't mean I should double. Making seems way more likely than down 2 if partner doesn't double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 5D, but over 5H i would surely double lightner to get a S lead. I play 5/6 level as all lightner except when forcing pass. But even if you dont play that style surely the fact that they X and pull should imply that they have the balance of power and wont go down 2 very often. So lightner should apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 5D, what else? The club suit has more HCP's though. Points Shmoints. We have 5 of the top 8 diamonds, and only 2 of the top 8 clubs. And we have 7 of the top 12 diamonds, but only 3 of the top 12 clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Pass over 5♥, which I think is easy. Double seems like it should show a "good" or "strong" 5♦ bid, like in the sense of overcalling 4 of a major over a 1 level opening and doubling on the next round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 5D, but over 5H i would surely double lightner to get a S lead. I play 5/6 level as all lightner except when forcing pass. But even if you dont play that style surely the fact that they X and pull should imply that they have the balance of power and wont go down 2 very often. So lightner should apply. I like this. Surely partner is looking at a mile of spades and can work it out. I'm not concerned about -1 vs -2 when -1 vs making is huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 You don't know partner has a mile of spades. Responder can have up to 7 let's say, and opener can have up to 4 (in fact even more is possible in either person's case but let's leave it at that). And uh, why should double be lightner anyway? Imagine we were 1273 with a stronger hand and just want to double since they are down. Do you really want to attract a spade lead which may be from an honor in that case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Someone pls run a sim, and show me how stupid my pass is. I haven't seen the thread mentioned by Josh, but will take the heat here. All kinds of hands run through my alleged mind where pard has a natural spade lead and we beat 4H..and have no play for 5D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 5D, but over 5H i would surely double lightner to get a S lead. I play 5/6 level as all lightner except when forcing pass. But even if you dont play that style surely the fact that they X and pull should imply that they have the balance of power and wont go down 2 very often. So lightner should apply. I like this. Surely partner is looking at a mile of spades and can work it out. I'm not concerned about -1 vs -2 when -1 vs making is huge. Why would it be a lightner double. We bid at the 5 level which could be quite a good hand, then we doubled what sounds like a save. We are just saying we are beating them if we double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Someone pls run a sim, and show me how stupid my pass is. I haven't seen the thread mentioned by Josh, but will take the heat here. All kinds of hands run through my alleged mind where pard has a natural spade lead and we beat 4H..and have no play for 5D. You might make a game! Or like happened here, you push them higher! Or, they might make a game and you have a save! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Someone pls run a sim, and show me how stupid my pass is. I haven't seen the thread mentioned by Josh, but will take the heat here. All kinds of hands run through my alleged mind where pard has a natural spade lead and we beat 4H..and have no play for 5D. You might make a game! Or like happened here, you push them higher! Or, they might make a game and you have a save! Or partner might bid 5H over 5D and you instantly bid 7D and make! edit: OK that is very unikely but I got to use an ! Axxx---Axxxxxxxx one time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Someone pls run a sim, and show me how stupid my pass is. I haven't seen the thread mentioned by Josh, but will take the heat here. All kinds of hands run through my alleged mind where pard has a natural spade lead and we beat 4H..and have no play for 5D. 5♦ makes double dummy about 50% (11+ tricks). If you factor in that some of that time you can get to a making 6♦ and also add in when 5♦ is a good sacrifice against a making 4♥ then the simulations suggest bidding is right. But certainly not guaranteed hence it is easy to imagine hands where 4♥ is down and we can make nothing. Disclaimer it is a little hard to do this sort of simulation since players' styles vary so much as to what constitutes a 4♥ bid. From memory I did something like 7 hearts and a side suit or 8+ hearts and 6-11 HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 then we doubled what sounds like a save. We are just saying we are beating them if we double. Maybe its possible to interpret 5H as i have no def values an im afraid they make 5Dx so im taking a saving in 5H, but for me its say i have a 9th heart and a D void and i like my chances in 5H. Not too many players will pull a high penalty double for a contract they have no hope to make. At the end its a matter of agreements. 1- Double are for penalties except when they are in a voluntary slam.2- double are penalty except when its clear from the bidding that they have chance to make it and not likely they can go -3.3- double is always lightner except when its clear its your deal or you need the X for something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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