hanp Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Another hand from the Dutch bridge league: [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sjxxxhxxd10xcaqjxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] 1S - (2H) - ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 a simple 2♠ for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I hate this sort of hand, because it has the offensive strength of a limit raise but not the defence. I'd show a limit raise anyway. I'm nearer to 4♠ than to 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 With standard agreements my choice would be 3♥ (limit raise+). But, I was recently convinced that it is important to have a bid that shows a "mixed raise" in this situation. Some use 2NT here to show the mixed raise, some suggest using 3♠ as mixed raise, and bidding a simple 2♠ with the "preemptive" hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I agree with Gonzalo and hate it. ( Of course I do not hate to agree with him, but that I do not have a more describtive bid then 2 Spade here...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I'd prefer 3♥ to 2♠ and could bid 4♠ right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Don't you have spots in Holland? I bid 3♠, mixed raise, if we play that of course. I guess 4♠ otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I don't think having a mixed raise available solves this problem. Offensively, this hand is a trick stronger than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I do think it is very useful to have two bids (cue bid and 2NT) to distinguish between 3 and 4 card support, so obviously 2NT if playing such a convention. Hate to be one of those people who always answer a bidding question with one of their pet conventions though, so 3♥ otherwise I guess. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Pretty obvious limit raise. I don't hate it at all.This sort of hand is your "bread and butter" hand - too good for 2S and not enough for 4. I don't understand what all the futzing about in the comments is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Agree with 655321. 2NT/3♥ whichever one is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Another hand from the Dutch bridge league: [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sjxxxhxxd10xcaqjxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] 1S - (2H) - ?? If I have a bid available that shows a constructive raise I use that otherwise I upgrade to a LR Call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I am surprised a limit raise is not unanimous. Am I missing something? 2♠ is nothing but bad evaluation, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 The robson segal book has convinced me that what you really need is two types of limit plus raise, one for offensive hands and one for defensive hands. I wish i had already passed then i could bid 3c and solve the problem. I would bid 2n as an offensive (limit) raise to 3s. 3H would show more defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I am surprised a limit raise is not unanimous. Am I missing something? 2♠ is nothing but bad evaluation, sorry. Guilty, I bid 4S at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Don't you have spots in Holland?Apparently only important spots, like the diamond ten. I vote for 3H lr+, even without that spot. ;) --and I don't regret not having a mixed raise available with this nice concentration, which I can't describe but surely like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I would bid 4S and love it, no surprises there I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 3♥. You play 2N and 3♥ as both limit raises here, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 We already lost the board before I could bid. RHO had overcalled on xx QJxxx AQJx xx and his partner, with 5-5 in the reds, was never going to let us play 4S. We played 5S-1, at the other table they played 4S= after our teammates didn't overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 We already lost the board before I could bid. RHO had overcalled on xx QJxxx AQJx xx and his partner, with 5-5 in the reds, was never going to let us play 4S. We played 5S-1, at the other table they played 4S= after our teammates didn't overcall. What did your counterpart bid with this hand over 1♠? In some case, your teammate could have shown the red two suiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 2NT for me, inv+ with 4-card support.Might try 4♠ on occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 We already lost the board before I could bid. RHO had overcalled on xx QJxxx AQJx xx and his partner, with 5-5 in the reds, was never going to let us play 4S. We played 5S-1, at the other table they played 4S= after our teammates didn't overcall. What did your counterpart bid with this hand over 1♠? In some case, your teammate could have shown the red two suiter.I don't know but I know my teammates never bid. Results are listed online but the auctions are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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