deep Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sk4hj10874dj92caq5]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] System 5° Major, Diamond 4° 1♠ (?) What to do South? Pass or bid 2♥?Ty at all for help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMorris Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Pass, poor suit with points outside & balanced makes a defensive hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I am assuming that my RHO opened 1♠. I pass. The hand is fair but the suit is poor. Give me a better hand and I might overcall rather than pass, but I wouldn't like it. Give me a better suit and I would be more likely to overcall with this strength hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I'd X w/w at MP. Either X or pass though don't bid 2H!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sk4hj10874dj92caq5]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] System 5° Major, Diamond 4° 1♠ (?) What to do South? Pass or bid 2♥?Ty at all for help Since it is MP a double is also possible so really the choices are X and 2♥ and they are close enough that I don't a problem if partner chose either. I would probably choose X as the most flexible and due to the relative weakness of the ♥ suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 2♥ is not a good bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 2♥ is not a good bid. IMO it is better than pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Not close to 2♥. Agree with earlier comments that it's even better to double than bid 2♥, although pass is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 2♥ is not a good bid. IMO it is better than passi request to be the opponent of anyone who would bid 2H. If that can't happen, then I request that they note their results over a long period...either actual or on erosion of partnership trust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Pass here..I want a tad more playing strength for 2♥ and I'd like better ♦ for a double or a tad stronger hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Double for me. 2♥ is definitely way off the charts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyhung Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 2H is nuts. Assuming a standard american-style system, this hand isn't worth opening 1H when RHO passes. Why should you be eager to bid one level higher when RHO has shown a good hand? Certainly not as a lead-director, I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 2H is nuts. Assuming a standard american-style system, this hand isn't worth opening 1H when RHO passes. Why should you be eager to bid one level higher when RHO has shown a good hand? Certainly not as a lead-director, I hope. your partner only rates to be on lead only vs NT. Consequently which suit would you like to set up for your tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 2♥ is not a good bid. IMO it is better than passi request to be the opponent of anyone who would bid 2H. If that can't happen, then I request that they note their results over a long period...either actual or on erosion of partnership trust C'mon down!!! :) I use the same handle in all of BBO where given a choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 2♥ is not a good bid. IMO it is better than passi request to be the opponent of anyone who would bid 2H. If that can't happen, then I request that they note their results over a long period...either actual or on erosion of partnership trust C'mon down!!! :) I use the same handle in all of BBO where given a choice. but likely with different partners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyhung Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Why should you be eager to bid one level higher when RHO has shown a good hand? Certainly not as a lead-director, I hope. your partner only rates to be on lead only vs NT. Consequently which suit would you like to set up for your tricks. My quip about the lead-direction was to highlight that one should not bid this hand on the basis of its inherent trick-taking value. It is unsound to bid this hand at the 2-level in a vacuum, because if you do not have a fit with partner, your best spot is probably 2H or 2NT and you rate to go down multiple tricks in either denomination. So if not for trick-taking, then what are you bidding for? It's not for the lead. The only other non-trick-taking-based reason I can see to overcall is to consume bidding space that might be useful to your opponents. I just don't see that as enough compensation for the fact that you are likely too high for your bid and given your poor trumps, the opponents will be doubling you when you are going down big. And even if partner comes up with enough to let you make 2H, partner will put you too high. It's a clear overbid to me. I ran a quick double-dummy sim giving RHO a 1S opening : 2H takes 0-6 tricks 42% of the time.7 tricks 16% of the time.8 tricks 17% of the time.9 tricks 16% of the time.10 tricks 9% of the time. Average # of tricks taken : 7, standard deviation 1.91 If you are bidding this hand because you perceive its trick-taking value to be sufficient, then you are either one hell of a declarer or your perceptions are misguided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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